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PauliAlonso wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:00 pm

barry wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:20 pm Possibly but Rovers are not my concern. Their European run and 4 previous league titles may buy him some time though. Just like a win yesterday might have papered over the cracks for Higgins. Unlike Bradley however he doesn't have 4 league titles in the last 4 years to cash in on for extra patience or proof he can make the leap from rookie to title winner.

Okay, so you agree that context is important when deciding the fate of a manager. Thanks.

I do and I have already explained Higgins tenure and put into context. I am not looking rid of him based on yesterday's performance but I'm looking at the bigger picture.

- Largest budget in Derrys history. Backed to the halt by his chairman and delivered x1 Fai Cup.

- Failed to won a league despite chasing league leaders who won 0 games In 8 (Shels)

- lost the cup and put out of the euope by PT minnows. Cost us hundreds of thousand in lost revenue.

- Inability to change things when results dip. We been in a rut since July.

- Declining performances, points tallies, league position, results and recruitment.

Now can I ask for your opinion on why you would keep him? Why give him another year? Isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result a sign if insanity.

barry wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:09 pm

PauliAlonso wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:00 pm

barry wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:20 pm Possibly but Rovers are not my concern. Their European run and 4 previous league titles may buy him some time though. Just like a win yesterday might have papered over the cracks for Higgins. Unlike Bradley however he doesn't have 4 league titles in the last 4 years to cash in on for extra patience or proof he can make the leap from rookie to title winner.

Okay, so you agree that context is important when deciding the fate of a manager. Thanks.

I do and I have already explained Higgins tenure and put into context. I am not looking rid of him based on yesterday's performance but I'm looking at the bigger picture.

Now can I ask for your opinion on why you would keep him? Why give him another year? Isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result a sign if insanity.

You're not looking at the bigger picture though, you're looking at this season (which admittedly is a lot more than most, but still only one out of almost four seasons). The defeat to Bruno's was a joke. We might have overturned it in the home leg if we didn't have to play the whole 2nd half with 10 men. But we had a really good Euro run (against decent teams) the year before. Have we forgotten that already? In the league, we were in it right up to the end. The form of Shels and Rovers, calling them poor or whatever; the league was stronger this year. There were plenty of teams capable of taking points off each other, which is exactly what happened. Still though, we should have won the league, it was in our hands with only four games to go, three of them at home. I just don't think one bad end to a season should define almost four years of good work.

And he's not doing the same thing over and over. His critics on here will admit that his football has become more conservative over the last two years - which even professional managers like Arteta and Slot are doing with their clubs right now to try and win an EPL.

PauliAlonso wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:22 pm
And he's not doing the same thing over and over. His critics on here will admit that his football has become more conservative over the last two years - which even professional managers like Arteta and Slot are doing with their clubs right now to try and win an EPL.

I think this is part of the problem. Performances and the players have been regressing under his watch. Part of this is down to less and less time being available year on year to fulfil the remit to win the league, increasing the pressure on him. This also helps explain the transfer business this year in particular I think. We went all in on older more expensive more experienced players and it has backfired.

I think Arteta is a good comparison. But not in a positive way.

Our reputation is in tatters. Higgins has presided over our three biggest embarrassments in recent history

1. Bruno’s Bar defeat (Europe wide humiliation)
2. League capitulation (Domestic humiliation)
3. Cup capitulation (City wide humiliation)

The financial cost alone is eye watering.

We’re infamous now.

marcoloco wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:28 pm Our reputation is in tatters. Higgins has presided over our three biggest embarrassments in recent history

1. Bruno’s Bar defeat (Europe wide humiliation)
2. League capitulation (Domestic humiliation)
3. Cup capitulation (City wide humiliation)

The financial cost alone is eye watering.

We’re infamous now.

Are there " Football men" on the Board?

So much for lets not bring RH into this thread conversations...

Greengo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:16 pm So much for lets not bring RH into this thread conversations...

He kinda forced his way into the debate.

Greengo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:16 pm So much for lets not bring RH into this thread conversations...

Apologies, I forgot about that request but the title 'New Manager' kinda lends itself that to discussion.

Aside from that it's a factual post. Nothing slanderous, false or personal which presumably you were hoping to avoid by the original request?

Excellent article here on how those on the outside view our struggles. Needless to say it states the bleeding obvious.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024/11 ... m3AnS3kYvw

Tik tok, we’re already 7 months late with this.

Neill lennon looking for a job.

magspat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:30 pm Neill lennon looking for a job.

So is Robbie Keane but i can't see either of them looking at Derry and thinking now there's a good opportunity to progress my career.

I think people like Vinnie Perth and other No.2s around the league (and the like) will be sharpening their pencils. No Europe, plastic Pitch, only half a squad signed up... we need to be realistic about who we can attract.

I was only joking about Lennon, but I'm not joking about Perth he shouldn't be allowed near the place,

Could Michael O'Neill be coaxed away from the NI job and back to the LOI ?

stevebradley wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:38 pm Could Michael O'Neill be coaxed away from the NI job and back to the LOI ?

No, and Roy Keane has also ruled himself out too

marcoloco wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:42 pm

magspat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:30 pm Neill lennon looking for a job.

So is Robbie Keane but i can't see either of them looking at Derry and thinking now there's a good opportunity to progress my career.

No Europe, plastic Pitch, only half a squad signed up... we need to be realistic about who we can attract.

No Europe, plastic pitch, half a squad...for now. These are all things that will be rectified in the short to medium term. Robbie Keane would normally be an optimistic shout (and I reckon he only has eyes for Rovers) but given that he did alright at Maccabi Tel Aviv and hasn't found anything since, suggests he might be short of options. Good LOI teams offer an easier route to UEFA competitions, which is attractive for up-and-coming managers.

PauliAlonso wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:11 pm

marcoloco wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:42 pm

magspat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:30 pm Neill lennon looking for a job.

So is Robbie Keane but i can't see either of them looking at Derry and thinking now there's a good opportunity to progress my career.

No Europe, plastic Pitch, only half a squad signed up... we need to be realistic about who we can attract.

No Europe, plastic pitch, half a squad...for now. These are all things that will be rectified in the short to medium term. Robbie Keane would normally be an optimistic shout (and I reckon he only has eyes for Rovers) but given that he did alright at Maccabi Tel Aviv and hasn't found anything since, suggests he might be short of options. Good LOI teams offer an easier route to UEFA competitions, which is attractive for up-and-coming managers.

100%. But I think Robbie Keane no longer fits that description. He's nothing to prove. There will be other ex-professional internationals looking for their first opportunity. But that type of appointment comes with its own risks. Hopefully we are thinking more than a manager.

Is Martin O'Neill an option? I was never a fan of the football his Ireland teams played, and he famously doesn't do tactical sessions in training, but you can't question his career. He's 72 now and hasn't managed in a few years - one last swansong at his hometown club? Or does hiring someone like MON make it more likely that we end up signing more journeymen from England and Scotland?

PauliAlonso wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:36 pm Is Martin O'Neill an option? I was never a fan of the football his Ireland teams played, and he famously doesn't do tactical sessions in training, but you can't question his career. He's 72 now and hasn't managed in a few years - one last swansong at his hometown club? Or does hiring someone like MON make it more likely that we end up signing more journeymen from England and Scotland?

Can't see it. Gruelling bus journeys around Ireland probably not too appealing.

Great real folks, there's zero chance of Martin O'Neill or Robbie Keane coming to us as manager.

I'd say if we have any chance of an ex player coming here, it'll be Kenny Cunningham, as i think his name was mentioned a few years back.

But I really hope it's not him, as he is an absolute spoofer when he is on TV, would have no faith in his ability.

Plus, as each day passes, I get the feeling Higgins is going nowhere. If he was going to be sacked, it would be done quickly after the miserable league campaign and shocking cup final. Why would it be delayed?