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Who's talking - taximen ?brandyball wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:25 pmThey're talking middle of 2025.marcoloco wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:11 pmWow. Looks the part. Just might be ready come late February!?brandyball wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:02 pm Latest update
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No, your friends on Derry City Fan's Forum.stevebradley wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:33 amWho's talking - taximen ?brandyball wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:25 pmThey're talking middle of 2025.marcoloco wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:11 pm
Wow. Looks the part. Just might be ready come late February!?
That is the detail.roger diesel wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:10 pm Rail seating usually has been on the basis of a 1:1 ratio for sitting and standing areas (as per Celtic Park) so are Derry adopting a new approach to allow an increased standing capacity (I read somewhere it was going to be 2700 vs 1850 seated)? Would be interesting to hear the detail if anyone has it!
I'm more interested in how they're gonna fit 1850 seats Into a stand that is approximately the same width and two thirds the height of the Mark Farren stand, that holds 950 seats.roger diesel wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:10 pm Rail seating usually has been on the basis of a 1:1 ratio for sitting and standing areas (as per Celtic Park) so are Derry adopting a new approach to allow an increased standing capacity (I read somewhere it was going to be 2700 vs 1850 seated)? Would be interesting to hear the detail if anyone has it!
I had a look at the Planning Portal, and compared both stands. The Mark Farren is designed to be 108m long, but only 46m of it has been constructed. The new stand will be 71m long, so 1.5 times the length of the MF. MF is 5.46m from bottom to top row, while new stand is 4.25m. MF has 13 rows of seats, with large risers (steps) between each row while the new stand will have 24 risers spaced more like normal steps. No detail on the type of seating / barriers or rails for the new stand or plan of the proposed seating layout. Interesting to see how the numbers stated will be achieved if the new stand is 1.5 times the length of the as-built MF (currently 955 seats). 955 x 1.5 = 1433, well short of the 1850 seats stated for the new stand.brendanp wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:12 pmI'm more interested in how they're gonna fit 1850 seats Into a stand that is approximately the same width and two thirds the height of the Mark Farren stand, that holds 950 seats.roger diesel wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:10 pm Rail seating usually has been on the basis of a 1:1 ratio for sitting and standing areas (as per Celtic Park) so are Derry adopting a new approach to allow an increased standing capacity (I read somewhere it was going to be 2700 vs 1850 seated)? Would be interesting to hear the detail if anyone has it!
Sitting or standing people are the same width. One step required for each person standing, then do we require 2 steps for each seat (1350seats) or 3 steps (900 seats).
The stand seems to be front-loading. I would've thought rear loading in from the street would've made sense - with a circulation area at the back instead of a void as the plans seem to show - but I'm sure there's a reason why the design is as it is. My big worry about it all is that the disabled seats are yet again at the very bottom of the stand - as they are in the MF Stand. Because they just don't work in that location at the MF, where our most vulnerable supporters end up completely exposed to the elements and with the worst view of the games. In my view supporters with disabilities should always be located up high and well under shelter. The front-loading nature of the new stand obviously mans that can't happen. But I hope at the very least that the roof cover will extend much further out than it does in the Mark Farren, as it just isn'ty good enough there.rodgers wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:05 pm Happy to be corrected as my knowledge is limited on this but is the seat standing ratio not explained by the fact for domestic standing games, you don't have to adhere to the ratios? That ony becomes an issue for European games which are going to have seating.
The separate issue then is in relation to how all the seats can fit in the stand. Am I right that there will be no stairwells in the middles of the stand itself? I would be surprised it that was case. The answer may well be in the drawings on the planning portal which I haven't looked at in a while.
What's the reason for putting people with physical disabilities in the location with the worst view & the most weather exposure? And what was the reason for doing so in the MF Stand?marcoloco wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:55 pm The void under the stand will be an ancillary commercial unit and there’s good reason the disabled fans are catered for at ground level… regarding exposure to the elements all fans in that stand will get soaked if it rains.
The sheets of rain come in from the showground end. We’ll need to wait for the South stand before that issue is resolved.
A mix of design cost & health and safety.stevebradley wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:03 pmWhat's the reason for putting people with physical disabilities in the location with the worst view & the most weather exposure? And what was the reason for doing so in the MF Stand?marcoloco wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:55 pm The void under the stand will be an ancillary commercial unit and there’s good reason the disabled fans are catered for at ground level… regarding exposure to the elements all fans in that stand will get soaked if it rains.
The sheets of rain come in from the showground end. We’ll need to wait for the South stand before that issue is resolved.
Design is whatever is chosen. There is nothing intrinsic to the design of a stand that says you HAVE to put wheelchairs in the worst possible location for both view and weather. I don't buy the health and saftey arguement without specifics either I'm afraid, as that is usually trotted out as an excuse. I've seen other new build stands in NI where disabled fans have a specific area at the back for themselves, where they receive a better view and better protection from the elements (e.g. Newry City). Obviously that requires access - but we have a lift to the back of the Mark Farren, yet still put wheelchair users down at the front in the rain & with their view obscured.marcoloco wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:00 pmA mix of design cost & health and safety.stevebradley wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:03 pmWhat's the reason for putting people with physical disabilities in the location with the worst view & the most weather exposure? And what was the reason for doing so in the MF Stand?marcoloco wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:55 pm The void under the stand will be an ancillary commercial unit and there’s good reason the disabled fans are catered for at ground level… regarding exposure to the elements all fans in that stand will get soaked if it rains.
The sheets of rain come in from the showground end. We’ll need to wait for the South stand before that issue is resolved.
Steve your talking as if disabled fans have been intentionally excluded or treated in a manner that’s disrespectful to them or their needs.stevebradley wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:28 pmDesign is whatever is chosen. There is nothing intrinsic to the design of a stand that says you HAVE to put wheelchairs in the worst possible location for both view and weather. I don't buy the health and saftey arguement without specifics either I'm afraid, as that is usually trotted out as an excuse. I've seen other new build stands in NI where disabled fans have a specific area at the back for themselves, where they receive a better view and better protection from the elements (e.g. Newry City). Obviously that requires access - but we have a lift to the back of the Mark Farren, yet still put wheelchair users down at the front in the rain & with their view obscured.marcoloco wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:00 pmA mix of design cost & health and safety.stevebradley wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:03 pm
What's the reason for putting people with physical disabilities in the location with the worst view & the most weather exposure? And what was the reason for doing so in the MF Stand?
The Mark Farren Stand design that made sense on paper turned out in reality to be a bit of a turkey - e.g. also the fact that there is no cover for the team dugouts at the front. So design mistakes clearly can and do happen re stands.
It's too late now for the 3 stands we have at the Brandywell, but if we ever do a 4th it should be used as an opportunity to ideally address this issue - or at the very least not repeat the mistakes of the past yet again. IMO supporters with disabilities should be a higher priority for the club, and not seemingly an after-thought or just doing the legal bare minimum. There but for the grace of god go all of us re disabilities. And as we age, our time in those crap disabled spaces will surely come if we manage to live long enough.