Brandywell Stadium Development

[shauna]

I think liam beckett started the ball rolling a few years ago saying brandywell should get no funding until derry city return to the irish league.

Liam Becketts a TWAT!

100% correct

[stevebradley]

Good to see McGuinness finally getting to grips with this.
Was he as fed up bungling Stormont ministers(one of his own included)?
Did he head off the backlash this whole saga was creating?
Did he finally show his teeth again and made sure that money from Stormont was coming this way and not all to Belfast?
For all his faults. when McGuinness speaks,others listen.
Now lets get the job finished.

But he has to get glentoran their money so he might secure us a few crumbs

No doubt he's done a deal with the DUP on Glentoran and the Brandywell. The DUP need to keep the Alliance at bay in East Belfast, and Sinn Fein need to keep those Derry whingers quiet for a bit.

The Glens will get £10m for a completely new 6,000 seater stadium - on top of the £28m for Windsor, and the money that other clubs in Greater Belfast will doubtless also receive (Crusaders, Cliftonville, Carrick). The Brandywell will get £1-2m for two-thirds of a stand. And we'll be looked at with astonishment if we dare to express any unhappiness with that state of affairs, and told to keep quiet and "focus on delivery".

There may well be an announcement on this before Christmas. Possibly as part of the budget Assembly statement on 19th December.

Always crumbs from the Belfast banquet.

[martinbradleey]

A lot of people tend to forget that Derry City FC are not getting a penny, but Derry City and Strabane Council are getting the money and they don't play in the League of Ireland so the dissenters argument is null and void.

[danny hale]

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[brandyball]

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Aye the brandywell re devolpment

[Chalkie]

I was told that Crusaders are also moving to a new ground on a greenfield site. They will be moving to one of the 'islands' around Belfast's docks area.

Has anyone else heard thus and, if so, will they be getting government grants to build a new stadium?


Chalkie

[micdaflic]

I was told that Crusaders are also moving to a new ground on a greenfield site. They will be moving to one of the 'islands' around Belfast's docks area.

Has anyone else heard thus and, if so, will they be getting government grants to build a new stadium?


Chalkie

No. In the View interview last week with a Crues rep he say they had plans for a new stand and wanted £3m from the gov fund to pay for it and bye the way he suggested that the £10M Glens wanted was actually more like £14/£15M, so you can see it all building to a scramble for a share of the pot and no doubt demands that DC is excluded

[stevebradley]

I was told that Crusaders are also moving to a new ground on a greenfield site. They will be moving to one of the 'islands' around Belfast's docks area.

Has anyone else heard thus and, if so, will they be getting government grants to build a new stadium?


Chalkie

No. In the View interview last week with a Crues rep he say they had plans for a new stand and wanted £3m from the gov fund to pay for it and bye the way he suggested that the £10M Glens wanted was actually more like £14/£15M, so you can see it all building to a scramble for a share of the pot and no doubt demands that DC is excluded

I think the Crues were looking for a move a few years back, but seem to have wised up since.

Seaview works well for them - next to the motorway, the right size, in decent condition, and in a well populated area for support. Once they replace the old fashioned main stand their ground will be quite nice to be honest.

[shauna]

In derry news today celtic park now completely ruled out as no motion has been put forward for voting at this months doire county convention.e

[brendy_éire]

In derry news today celtic park now completely ruled out as no motion has been put forward for voting at this months doire county convention.e

Unless another county puts forward something similar. Presumably, there'll be something about the Rugby WC put forward, depends on how it's worded whether it could cover us at Celtic Park. Still presume it's not happening, but would be good to have, if only for the Europa League games.

[paul60]

If there was a real willingness by the government or other sporting bodies we would have had a refurbished stadium long ago. There is a feeling that controlling bodies hope that Derry City FC would disappear but maybe the attricition by neglect they may eventually get their wish.

[stevebradley]

In derry news today celtic park now completely ruled out as no motion has been put forward for voting at this months doire county convention.e

Unless another county puts forward something similar. Presumably, there'll be something about the Rugby WC put forward, depends on how it's worded whether it could cover us at Celtic Park. Still presume it's not happening, but would be good to have, if only for the Europa League games.

We were never going to get Celtic Park for the season, based on timings alone. Whether it was the club or journalists who came up with the story that it was under consideration, they obviously didn't understand the process that would've been involved.

In my view, we should've pushed for one-off special case use of Celtic Park - in case we got to a round in Europe where Brandywell or McGinn Park wasn't suitable. That would've had a better chance of success than a request to use it for the whole season, would've fitted within the timings, and would've been an easier one for political pressure to be applied over as well. You have to prise the GAA door open in small increments.

Agreement to give GAA Central Council the power to open up county grounds for any RWC in Ireland was voted through about 2yrs ago btw. No way they would've allowed it to be expanded to wider use for other sports other than that major one-off event.

I'm left wondering where the strategic thinking is in the club ? At some stage in the future we're likely to find ourselves at a stage in European competition where Brandywell wouldn't be eligible. Two other LOI clubs have done it in the last 4yrs, so no reason why we shouldn't. So the dialogue and schmoosing of the Derry County Board should be starting now to smooth the path in the future to the possibility of European games being played at Celtic Park rather than Dublin some day. It will take a long time and a lot of work to get to that stage, so the bridges should be being built now. Even just little things like Derry City FC publicly wishing Slaughtneil well for their upcoming All-Ireland Quarter Final games, taking a coach load of the City players along to a Derry County game in their DCFC tracksuits and tweet out about it. Easy stuff to start off, which would go a long way to creating warmth between two sporting organisations which are based beside each other but seem to live in different worlds.

[micdaflic]

Perhaps the gaa should be neighbourly and sporting and big hearted enough to facilitate DCFC But maybe that would be too much to expect from the tiny minds that run an organisation which has obtained land and grants from DC council to build at least 3 local gaa facilities in recent years. Maybe local council should in future refuse such generous gestures with our money unless gaa undertakes to allow access for other uses. Also this land for these pitches is still owned by council despite gaa members believing otherwise so maybe the lease arrangements should be reexamined

[MariborKev]

I'm left wondering where the strategic thinking is in the club ?

Could be applied to lots of areas of the club.

[shauna]

In derry news today celtic park now completely ruled out as no motion has been put forward for voting at this months doire county convention.e

Unless another county puts forward something similar. Presumably, there'll be something about the Rugby WC put forward, depends on how it's worded whether it could cover us at Celtic Park. Still presume it's not happening, but would be good to have, if only for the Europa League games.

We were never going to get Celtic Park for the season, based on timings alone. Whether it was the club or journalists who came up with the story that it was under consideration, they obviously didn't understand the process that would've been involved.

In my view, we should've pushed for one-off special case use of Celtic Park - in case we got to a round in Europe where Brandywell or McGinn Park wasn't suitable. That would've had a better chance of success than a request to use it for the whole season, would've fitted within the timings, and would've been an easier one for political pressure to be applied over as well. You have to prise the GAA door open in small increments.

Agreement to give GAA Central Council the power to open up county grounds for any RWC in Ireland was voted through about 2yrs ago btw. No way they would've allowed it to be expanded to wider use for other sports other than that major one-off event.

I'm left wondering where the strategic thinking is in the club ? At some stage in the future we're likely to find ourselves at a stage in European competition where Brandywell wouldn't be eligible. Two other LOI clubs have done it in the last 4yrs, so no reason why we shouldn't. So the dialogue and schmoosing of the Derry County Board should be starting now to smooth the path in the future to the possibility of European games being played at Celtic Park rather than Dublin some day. It will take a long time and a lot of work to get to that stage, so the bridges should be being built now. Even just little things like Derry City FC publicly wishing Slaughtneil well for their upcoming All-Ireland Quarter Final games, taking a coach load of the City players along to a Derry County game in their DCFC tracksuits and tweet out about it. Easy stuff to start off, which would go a long way to creating warmth between two sporting organisations which are based beside each other but seem to live in different worlds.

Sure celtic park only has 4,000 seats if phase 2 of brandywell is completed then it will have more seats, but both grounds wouldn't have enough seats no matter what if we ever got to a europa league play off or group stage situation those games would have to go to belfast or dublin. As i said last week the gaa can shove celtic park were the sun doesnt shine.

[stevebradley]

Unless another county puts forward something similar. Presumably, there'll be something about the Rugby WC put forward, depends on how it's worded whether it could cover us at Celtic Park. Still presume it's not happening, but would be good to have, if only for the Europa League games.

We were never going to get Celtic Park for the season, based on timings alone. Whether it was the club or journalists who came up with the story that it was under consideration, they obviously didn't understand the process that would've been involved.

In my view, we should've pushed for one-off special case use of Celtic Park - in case we got to a round in Europe where Brandywell or McGinn Park wasn't suitable. That would've had a better chance of success than a request to use it for the whole season, would've fitted within the timings, and would've been an easier one for political pressure to be applied over as well. You have to prise the GAA door open in small increments.

Agreement to give GAA Central Council the power to open up county grounds for any RWC in Ireland was voted through about 2yrs ago btw. No way they would've allowed it to be expanded to wider use for other sports other than that major one-off event.

I'm left wondering where the strategic thinking is in the club ? At some stage in the future we're likely to find ourselves at a stage in European competition where Brandywell wouldn't be eligible. Two other LOI clubs have done it in the last 4yrs, so no reason why we shouldn't. So the dialogue and schmoosing of the Derry County Board should be starting now to smooth the path in the future to the possibility of European games being played at Celtic Park rather than Dublin some day. It will take a long time and a lot of work to get to that stage, so the bridges should be being built now. Even just little things like Derry City FC publicly wishing Slaughtneil well for their upcoming All-Ireland Quarter Final games, taking a coach load of the City players along to a Derry County game in their DCFC tracksuits and tweet out about it. Easy stuff to start off, which would go a long way to creating warmth between two sporting organisations which are based beside each other but seem to live in different worlds.

Sure celtic park only has 4,000 seats if phase 2 of brandywell is completed then it will have more seats, but both grounds wouldn't have enough seats no matter what if we ever got to a europa league play off or group stage situation those games would have to go to belfast or dublin. As i said last week the gaa can shove celtic park were the sun doesnt shine.

The GAA was advanced plans for further development of Celtic Park.

And if a Rugby World Cup gets played in Derry, Celtic Park will be turned into a nice stadium for it.

[shauna]

[quote

Unless another county puts forward something similar. Presumably, there'll be something about the Rugby WC put forward, depends on how it's worded whether it could cover us at Celtic Park. Still presume it's not happening, but would be good to have, if only for the Europa League games.

We were never going to get Celtic Park for the season, based on timings alone. Whether it was the club or journalists who came up with the story that it was under consideration, they obviously didn't understand the process that would've been involved.

In my view, we should've pushed for one-off special case use of Celtic Park - in case we got to a round in Europe where Brandywell or McGinn Park wasn't suitable. That would've had a better chance of success than a request to use it for the whole season, would've fitted within the timings, and would've been an easier one for political pressure to be applied over as well. You have to prise the GAA door open in small increments.

Agreement to give GAA Central Council the power to open up county grounds for any RWC in Ireland was voted through about 2yrs ago btw. No way they would've allowed it to be expanded to wider use for other sports other than that major one-off event.

I'm left wondering where the strategic thinking is in the club ? At some stage in the future we're likely to find ourselves at a stage in European competition where Brandywell wouldn't be eligible. Two other LOI clubs have done it in the last 4yrs, so no reason why we shouldn't. So the dialogue and schmoosing of the Derry County Board should be starting now to smooth the path in the future to the possibility of European games being played at Celtic Park rather than Dublin some day. It will take a long time and a lot of work to get to that stage, so the bridges should be being built now. Even just little things like Derry City FC publicly wishing Slaughtneil well for their upcoming All-Ireland Quarter Final games, taking a coach load of the City players along to a Derry County game in their DCFC tracksuits and tweet out about it. Easy stuff to start off, which would go a long way to creating warmth between two sporting organisations which are based beside each other but seem to live in different worlds.

Sure celtic park only has 4,000 seats if phase 2 of brandywell is completed then it will have more seats, but both grounds wouldn't have enough seats no matter what if we ever got to a europa league play off or group stage situation those games would have to go to belfast or dublin. As i said last week the gaa can shove celtic park were the sun doesnt shine.[/quote]

The GAA was advanced plans for further development of Celtic Park.

And if a Rugby World Cup gets played in Derry, Celtic Park will be turned into a nice stadium for it.[/quote]

I was in favour of the rugby world cup coming to derry but with us not getting the use of celtic park i hope and pray that it doesnt come to derry so that shower of vermin dont get any more public money to develop their closed house.

[stevebradley]

was in favour of the rugby world cup coming to derry but with us not getting the use of celtic park i hope and pray that it doesnt come to derry so that shower of vermin dont get any more public money to develop their closed house.

As explained a number of times already - it is not in the gift of Derry GAA to open up Celtic Park. That's for GAA Congress to decide.

So if the RWC didn't come to Derry, it would just be another GAA stadium and another town that reaped the benefits instead, without changing anything about Derry City & Celtic Park. So wishing for that is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Change within the GAA comes incrementally - through evolution, not revolution (ironic, given their history). Opening up County grounds to rugby would be another step towards a drop in the ban on Saxon sports all together. Don't lose sight of the bigger picture here.

[gary]

was in favour of the rugby world cup coming to derry but with us not getting the use of celtic park i hope and pray that it doesnt come to derry so that shower of vermin dont get any more public money to develop their closed house.

As explained a number of times already - it is not in the gift of Derry GAA to open up Celtic Park. That's for GAA Congress to decide.

So if the RWC didn't come to Derry, it would just be another GAA stadium and another town that reaped the benefits instead, without changing anything about Derry City & Celtic Park. So wishing for that is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Change within the GAA comes incrementally - through evolution, not revolution (ironic, given their history). Opening up County grounds to rugby would be another step towards a drop in the ban on Saxon sports all together. Don't lose sight of the bigger picture here.

Steve, surely the rugby world cup (which hasnt a hope in hell of being hosted in Derry),
would not open up GAA grounds to Rugby, it would open up a select few, for a one off tourament
and then end up a closed shop to anything except GAA after.

And this primary because of presure from government in Dublin.