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Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:18 am
by brandyball
joe3576 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:15 am I would have no doubt that we would have better in our under 19 squad and within some of the local players that we have just let go - than Kelly and Diallo this season.

Neither of those two have done anywhere near enough to justify a big wage and being selected each week ahead of players like Jackie and McEnuff.

I would rather a local kid get a chance than see those two lift big wages and offer little in return.

Kelly one goal all season

Diallo a liability and has given 3 penalties away and needless sendings off also.

Ryan MccBride, Barry MacNamee, Ronan Curtis, Rory Holden, James McClean, Conor McDermott all were given a chance

We are giving zero chances to any good kids at all.
So much for our Academy being a Pathway.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:19 am
by Keyser Soze

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:01 pm
by eugenio
Keyser Soze wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:19 am Interesting read

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/0 ... transfers/
I won’t apologise for being basic and a lover of my own I DO NOT want to see “foreign ‘ players in Inwant to see young Derry players in . Some posts say they “aren’t up to it “ Yet they seem to do well enough with other clubs . I mentioned and see mentioned names of locals who brought great pride to our city and club in the past. I asked is this a thing of the past ??? No reply ? I believe there are Pizzas. Coyles Mc Leans Mc Callions etc etc etc there This is where they belong surely Not some foreign player ending his days on a big salary surely

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:32 pm
by paul60
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:18 am
joe3576 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:15 am I would have no doubt that we would have better in our under 19 squad and within some of the local players that we have just let go - than Kelly and Diallo this season.

Neither of those two have done anywhere near enough to justify a big wage and being selected each week ahead of players like Jackie and McEnuff.

I would rather a local kid get a chance than see those two lift big wages and offer little in return.

Kelly one goal all season

Diallo a liability and has given 3 penalties away and needless sendings off also.

Ryan MccBride, Barry MacNamee, Ronan Curtis, Rory Holden, James McClean, Conor McDermott all were given a chance

We are giving zero chances to any good kids at all.
So much for our Academy being a Pathway.
It would be great to see some of the local talent playing who could make a difference to the team.
Looking to last century CELTIC an all local team won the European Cup.
The man has now signed and I hope he’ll be given a chance to prove himself and make a difference to the team.
He has only a dozen games or so to do it, if he’s fit enough.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:08 pm
by Nige92
Anyone who thinks that a team full of local players or academy graduates would be any more successful, because they're local, is deluded.

The nature of football is that very few players make it to the top, whatever that may look like. League of Ireland standard requires a huge amount of talent. Young fellas from the u19s might look good at that level but senior football is a totally different ball game.

If we had a team full of local academy players and were mid table, you can imagine the pressure there would be to bring in outside players. People always think the grass is greener. It would be fantastic to have some players come through the system but it will only ever be one or two at a time.

Liam Mullan might come back a better player following his loan. Patton, who had a trial with Portsmouth, might do similar. But the levels required to play for a title contending team are huge.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:29 pm
by brandyball
Nige92 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:08 pm Anyone who thinks that a team full of local players or academy graduates would be any more successful, because they're local, is deluded.

The nature of football is that very few players make it to the top, whatever that may look like. League of Ireland standard requires a huge amount of talent. Young fellas from the u19s might look good at that level but senior football is a totally different ball game.

If we had a team full of local academy players and were mid table, you can imagine the pressure there would be to bring in outside players. People always think the grass is greener. It would be fantastic to have some players come through the system but it will only ever be one or two at a time.

Liam Mullan might come back a better player following his loan. Patton, who had a trial with Portsmouth, might do similar. But the levels required to play for a title contending team are huge.
I don't think anyone mentioned " a team full of local talent" or " Academy Graduates " some would just like to see locals getting a fair crack. I also think the " Brexit" issue is just a cover to explain a lack of incoming thus far.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:40 pm
by Nige92
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:29 pm I don't think anyone mentioned " a team full of local talent" or " Academy Graduates " some would just like to see locals getting a fair crack. I also think the " Brexit" issue is just a cover to explain a lack of incoming thus far.
Two previous posters have suggested something close to it.

Brexit is one issue but it was not the entire issue. It limits our pool to choose from. The larger issue might be the manager appears to have near full responsibility for scouting and recruiting. I haven't seen or heard anything about a scouting department.

It's not right to ask a manager to devote time to management and to scouting/recruiting. The structures of the club will be our downfall.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:10 pm
by brandyball
A topic on another Fan Page is sharing uncomplimentary opinions on our 'Academy'

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:13 pm
by DeeDerry1975
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:29 pm I don't think anyone mentioned " a team full of local talent" or " Academy Graduates " some would just like to see locals getting a fair crack. I also think the " Brexit" issue is just a cover to explain a lack of incoming thus far.
The club had identified 2 players during the summer window from an EU country. They were interested in signing both. They contacted the relevant department to seek a work permit and they were told that it could take up to 12 weeks for the players to be registered and that was if everything was in order. So Brexit is having an effect on us bringing in players.

In terms of the local lads who are leaving. We have to be honest about a few of them. Jordan McEneff for example, I know he scored a few goals last season but I've never seen him put in a performance where I thought he was the best player on the pitch. He has had a lot of injuries as well and this was why Shels let him go. Jackie has signed a new contract and gone on loan to get minutes he desperately needs to get him going again. Mullan & Patton also signed extended deals and went on loan. I've never seen McCallion play so I'm not sure how good he was, but as mentioned there is a buy-back option there. We've seen it over the years with local lads who are around the squad and cannot break into the first 11, how many of them have left and had very successful careers elsewhere? There comes a time when you have to decide if a player going to make it or not.

On players coming here from the UK, we've had many over the years, good and bad. It's the chance you take, hopefully the lads we bring in before the end of August provide the boost the squad needs, especially at the back, and they push us over the line for the league and cup.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:16 pm
by DeeDerry1975
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:10 pm A topic on another Fan Page is sharing uncomplimentary opinions on our 'Academy'
Is this the facebook 'fan' page?? I wouldn't listen to a word spoken on there. Some 'characters' on that page, including one lad who's reply to everything is 'Dcfc all the way'

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:45 pm
by brandyball
DeeDerry1975 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:16 pm
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:10 pm A topic on another Fan Page is sharing uncomplimentary opinions on our 'Academy'
Is this the facebook 'fan' page?? I wouldn't listen to a word spoken on there. Some 'characters' on that page, including one lad who's reply to everything is 'Dcfc all the way'
😀 The very same.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:36 pm
by BrandywellRedMariner

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:47 pm
by brandyball
Any word on length of contracts?

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:04 pm
by BrandywellRedMariner
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:47 pm
Any word on length of contracts?
Nothing in the official DC link but all have travelled to Waterford.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:10 pm
by rodgers
What happened the come to Jesus meeting and the new transfer policy it was meant to have heralded?

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:17 pm
by Keyser Soze
We are on rte sports news now re: transfers

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 7:08 pm
by BrandywellRedMariner
:!:
BrandywellRedMariner wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:04 pm
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:47 pm

Any word on length of contracts?
Nothing in the official DC link but all have travelled to Waterford.
Robertson subs bench.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:30 pm
by eugenio
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:29 pm
Nige92 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:08 pm Anyone who thinks that a team full of local players
I don't think anyone mentioned " a team full of local talent" or " Academy Graduates " some would just like to see locals getting a fair crack. I also think the " Brexit" issue is just a cover to explain a lack of incoming thus far.
Dear GOD LETS STICK TO WHAT IS BEING SPOKEN OF No one mentioned a ream “full of”,WE are asking can some local talent not get a game SOME local talent BREXIT HAS NO EFFECT AT ALL ON US EITHER

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:30 pm
by Nige92
eugenio wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:30 pm
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:29 pm
Nige92 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:08 pm Anyone who thinks that a team full of local players
I don't think anyone mentioned " a team full of local talent" or " Academy Graduates " some would just like to see locals getting a fair crack. I also think the " Brexit" issue is just a cover to explain a lack of incoming thus far.
Dear GOD LETS STICK TO WHAT IS BEING SPOKEN OF No one mentioned a ream “full of”,WE are asking can some local talent not get a game SOME local talent BREXIT HAS NO EFFECT AT ALL ON US EITHER
Eugene there's a number of locals in the squad... Coll, Doherty, Boyce, Shane, Fats, Duffy, Todd. How many do you want?

Brexit has an impact on all clubs based in the UK, how can you deny that? A post above detailed that we were unable to sign 2 players due to work permit regulations. This is the reality.

Re: Squad 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:27 am
by mokendismucker
DeeDerry1975 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:13 pm
brandyball wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:29 pm I don't think anyone mentioned " a team full of local talent" or " Academy Graduates " some would just like to see locals getting a fair crack. I also think the " Brexit" issue is just a cover to explain a lack of incoming thus far.
The club had identified 2 players during the summer window from an EU country. They were interested in signing both. They contacted the relevant department to seek a work permit and they were told that it could take up to 12 weeks for the players to be registered and that was if everything was in order. So Brexit is having an effect on us bringing in players.

In terms of the local lads who are leaving. We have to be honest about a few of them. Jordan McEneff for example, I know he scored a few goals last season but I've never seen him put in a performance where I thought he was the best player on the pitch. He has had a lot of injuries as well and this was why Shels let him go. Jackie has signed a new contract and gone on loan to get minutes he desperately needs to get him going again. Mullan & Patton also signed extended deals and went on loan. I've never seen McCallion play so I'm not sure how good he was, but as mentioned there is a buy-back option there. We've seen it over the years with local lads who are around the squad and cannot break into the first 11, how many of them have left and had very successful careers elsewhere? There comes a time when you have to decide if a player going to make it or not.

On players coming here from the UK, we've had many over the years, good and bad. It's the chance you take, hopefully the lads we bring in before the end of August provide the boost the squad needs, especially at the back, and they push us over the line for the league and cup.
Agree totally. Well said.