Brandywell Stadium Development

[barry]

Owenbeg?

[stevebradley]

Anybody hear where the new temporary training base is?

Hearing either Strabane or Dungiven.

If its Dungiven I'd assume its the relatively new leisure centre which only opened in the last few years, this also is under the remit of the Causeway Coast & Glens Borough Council which should serve as an embarrassment to Derry City & Strabane District Council that the only full-time professional football club in their area has had to avail of the services of another council to meet their demands for training facilities

Why is it somehow the job of Derry-Strabane District Council to provide training facilities for a privately-owned professional sports organisation with a multi-million pound annual turnover and a de-facto multi-billionaire owner? On top of the fact that the council already provides that club with a home stadium way beyond the needs of any other user group in the District, and does so for an absolute pittance - and all whilst the council is facing significant financial restrictions itself ?

Jesus wept - the sense of entitlement of some people Should the council employ someone to wipe all the players' arses for them everyday too ?

[stevebradley]

It really is pathetic that we have to venture outside the city for decent training facilities. I think in the past we used the Vale Centre as well in Greysteel.

40 years back in senior football, and almost 100 years of existence in total, and we still own absolutely nothing as a club. Absolutely nothing.

It is indeed pathetic. But sure, let's blame the council for that

[magspat]

Steve Bradley you are right why should the council provide training facilities for DC or anyother organisation 90 years in business and own nothing it not the council should be ashamed say no more.

[dcfc_jp_1989]

Hearing either Strabane or Dungiven.

If its Dungiven I'd assume its the relatively new leisure centre which only opened in the last few years, this also is under the remit of the Causeway Coast & Glens Borough Council which should serve as an embarrassment to Derry City & Strabane District Council that the only full-time professional football club in their area has had to avail of the services of another council to meet their demands for training facilities

Why is it somehow the job of Derry-Strabane District Council to provide training facilities for a privately-owned professional sports organisation with a multi-million pound annual turnover and a de-facto multi-billionaire owner? On top of the fact that the council already provides that club with a home stadium way beyond the needs of any other user group in the District, and does so for an absolute pittance - and all whilst the council is facing significant financial restrictions itself ?

Jesus wept - the sense of entitlement of some people Should the council employ someone to wipe all the players' arses for them everyday too ?

Where did I say that it was DCSDC's responsibility to provide us with training facilities? I just made a point that if the club couldn't find anything within the council area then that should serve as embarrassment to the council that another council down the road are able to provide those facilities. It should serve as a wake up call to the council in regards to the lack of adequate sporting facilities within the council area that their most senior club who are looking at a temporary location whilst they source their own development have had to look elsewhere.

The lack of sporting facilities within the council area is felt by all the youth & junior clubs as well not just Derry City & that is because of the lack of investment by the council in their leisure & sporting facilities. Not everyone who makes a negative comment against the council has a sense of entitlement for Derry City, the facilities in this City & district are not what they should be & that's the point I was trying to make

[dcfc_jp_1989]

Owenbeg?

It did cross my mind but thought the Derry GAA would have to run it past Congress first

[TenaciousDee]

Owenbeg?

That was a Derry rumour.

[barry]

Owenbeg?

That was a Derry rumour.

Has everything TL is after

- 4g Pitch
- Grass surface
- Canteen
- Meeting rooms
- Gym

[TenaciousDee]

I am not being dismissive of the suggestion (and I agree about the facilities etc.) just saying I was told a rumour that it was under consideration a few weeks ago but not heard it mentioned since.

[stevebradley]

If its Dungiven I'd assume its the relatively new leisure centre which only opened in the last few years, this also is under the remit of the Causeway Coast & Glens Borough Council which should serve as an embarrassment to Derry City & Strabane District Council that the only full-time professional football club in their area has had to avail of the services of another council to meet their demands for training facilities

Why is it somehow the job of Derry-Strabane District Council to provide training facilities for a privately-owned professional sports organisation with a multi-million pound annual turnover and a de-facto multi-billionaire owner? On top of the fact that the council already provides that club with a home stadium way beyond the needs of any other user group in the District, and does so for an absolute pittance - and all whilst the council is facing significant financial restrictions itself ?

Jesus wept - the sense of entitlement of some people Should the council employ someone to wipe all the players' arses for them everyday too ?

Where did I say that it was DCSDC's responsibility to provide us with training facilities? I just made a point that if the club couldn't find anything within the council area then that should serve as embarrassment to the council that another council down the road are able to provide those facilities. It should serve as a wake up call to the council in regards to the lack of adequate sporting facilities within the council area that their most senior club who are looking at a temporary location whilst they source their own development have had to look elsewhere.

The lack of sporting facilities within the council area is felt by all the youth & junior clubs as well not just Derry City & that is because of the lack of investment by the council in their leisure & sporting facilities. Not everyone who makes a negative comment against the council has a sense of entitlement for Derry City, the facilities in this City & district are not what they should be & that's the point I was trying to make

Firstly - it hasn't been confirmed publicly where Derry will be using for training facilities before the new permanent home is ready, so I'd recommend holding off on the pitch forks and burning torches for now

Secondly - you're still completely missing the point here. Which is that - 100yrs into the club's existence - if Derry City have to go anywhere outside of Derry for training facilities then the only people who should be embarassed about that fact are Derry City themselves. Start and end of it. It's the council's job to look after the needs of its 145,000 ratepaying residents - not to provide high-level professional training facilities for a tiny handful of elite athletes at one club. Just because that club hasn't bothered its hole trying to provide for itself over the last century.

The broader point about sporting facilities for ordinary people within the District is a completely separate issue, as it's not about elite training facilities. Though to be honest with you - with the exception of Templemore Sports Complex (which the council is struggling to find the money to modernise), I personaly don't think the facilities in this council area are all that bad overall. Sure - they could be better. But once the plan for the Complex is deivered they'll be fairly good overall IMO. They've come on a hell of a lot oin recent years - from the days when there were hardly any GAA facilities in the city, no leisure centre in the Waterside etc. What facilities are you saying rre absent here (that Templemore won't eventually address) ?

[stevebradley]

Owenbeg?

It did cross my mind but thought the Derry GAA would have to run it past Congress first

I think the GAA Council has finally devolved the power for county boards to decide who should access their facilities down to the boards themselves (?)

[dcfc_jp_1989]

Why is it somehow the job of Derry-Strabane District Council to provide training facilities for a privately-owned professional sports organisation with a multi-million pound annual turnover and a de-facto multi-billionaire owner? On top of the fact that the council already provides that club with a home stadium way beyond the needs of any other user group in the District, and does so for an absolute pittance - and all whilst the council is facing significant financial restrictions itself ?

Jesus wept - the sense of entitlement of some people Should the council employ someone to wipe all the players' arses for them everyday too ?

Where did I say that it was DCSDC's responsibility to provide us with training facilities? I just made a point that if the club couldn't find anything within the council area then that should serve as embarrassment to the council that another council down the road are able to provide those facilities. It should serve as a wake up call to the council in regards to the lack of adequate sporting facilities within the council area that their most senior club who are looking at a temporary location whilst they source their own development have had to look elsewhere.

The lack of sporting facilities within the council area is felt by all the youth & junior clubs as well not just Derry City & that is because of the lack of investment by the council in their leisure & sporting facilities. Not everyone who makes a negative comment against the council has a sense of entitlement for Derry City, the facilities in this City & district are not what they should be & that's the point I was trying to make

Firstly - it hasn't been confirmed publicly where Derry will be using for training facilities before the new permanent home is ready, so I'd recommend holding off on the pitch forks and burning torches for now

Secondly - you're still completely missing the point here. Which is that - 100yrs into the club's existence - if Derry City have to go anywhere outside of Derry for training facilities then the only people who should be embarassed about that fact are Derry City themselves. Start and end of it. It's the council's job to look after the needs of its 145,000 ratepaying residents - not to provide high-level professional training facilities for a tiny handful of elite athletes at one club. Just because that club hasn't bothered its hole trying to provide for itself over the last century.

The broader point about sporting facilities for ordinary people within the District is a completely separate issue, as it's not about elite training facilities. Though to be honest with you - with the exception of Templemore Sports Complex (which the council is struggling to find the money to modernise), I personaly don't think the facilities in this council area are all that bad overall. Sure - they could be better. But once the plan for the Complex is deivered they'll be fairly good overall IMO. They've come on a hell of a lot oin recent years - from the days when there were hardly any GAA facilities in the city, no leisure centre in the Waterside etc. What facilities are you saying rre absent here (that Templemore won't eventually address) ?

At no point did I try & blame the council for Derry City's predicament regards training facilities you tried to imply that I did. I'm glad that Derry City are finally looking into finding a permanent training base for themselves (or in the meantime permanently temporary) & not relying on DCSDC. Modernising the sports complex will be welcomed when it happens, will it help address the lack of training facilities for youth teams, what other sports will be considered in their plans etc.

If another council down the road (only speculation on my part as I just assumed the relatively new development in Dungiven was the option rather than Owenbeg) whose finances are in a worse state than DCSDC are able to provide facilities worthy of a professional football club then shouldn't DCSDC be thinking their next development (hopefully Templemore) can be of the same standard. Maybe I should've been more clear on the point I was trying to make but accusing me of entitlement of the council towards Derry City FC was way wide of the mark

[stevebradley]

Where did I say that it was DCSDC's responsibility to provide us with training facilities? I just made a point that if the club couldn't find anything within the council area then that should serve as embarrassment to the council that another council down the road are able to provide those facilities. It should serve as a wake up call to the council in regards to the lack of adequate sporting facilities within the council area that their most senior club who are looking at a temporary location whilst they source their own development have had to look elsewhere.

The lack of sporting facilities within the council area is felt by all the youth & junior clubs as well not just Derry City & that is because of the lack of investment by the council in their leisure & sporting facilities. Not everyone who makes a negative comment against the council has a sense of entitlement for Derry City, the facilities in this City & district are not what they should be & that's the point I was trying to make

Firstly - it hasn't been confirmed publicly where Derry will be using for training facilities before the new permanent home is ready, so I'd recommend holding off on the pitch forks and burning torches for now

Secondly - you're still completely missing the point here. Which is that - 100yrs into the club's existence - if Derry City have to go anywhere outside of Derry for training facilities then the only people who should be embarassed about that fact are Derry City themselves. Start and end of it. It's the council's job to look after the needs of its 145,000 ratepaying residents - not to provide high-level professional training facilities for a tiny handful of elite athletes at one club. Just because that club hasn't bothered its hole trying to provide for itself over the last century.

The broader point about sporting facilities for ordinary people within the District is a completely separate issue, as it's not about elite training facilities. Though to be honest with you - with the exception of Templemore Sports Complex (which the council is struggling to find the money to modernise), I personaly don't think the facilities in this council area are all that bad overall. Sure - they could be better. But once the plan for the Complex is deivered they'll be fairly good overall IMO. They've come on a hell of a lot oin recent years - from the days when there were hardly any GAA facilities in the city, no leisure centre in the Waterside etc. What facilities are you saying rre absent here (that Templemore won't eventually address) ?

At no point did I try & blame the council for Derry City's predicament regards training facilities you tried to imply that I did & even after I explained my point you're still implying that I'm blaming the council. I'm glad that Derry City are finally looking into finding a permanent training base for themselves (or in the meantime permanently temporary) & not relying on DCSDC. Modernising the sports complex will be welcomed when it happens, will it help address the lack of training facilities for youth teams, what other sports will be considered in their plans etc.

If another council down the road (only speculation on my part as I just assumed the relatively new development in Dungiven was the option rather than Owenbeg) whose finances are in a worse state than DCSDC are able to provide facilities worthy of a professional football club then shouldn't DCSDC be thinking their next development (hopefully Templemore) can be of the same standard. Maybe I should've been more clear on the point I was trying to make but accusing me of entitlement of the council towards Derry City FC was way wide of the mark

At this stage I honestly have no idea what point you'tre trying to make. You say it's a disgrace that the club might have to go to another council area for facilities (which is pure speculation anyway) - then say you're point isn't about the council - then you specifically go on about the state of facilities in the Derry-Strabane council area - and then you say it'sshameful that the club is having to look at a different council area for decent facilities. With respect - if your point ISN'T about councils then why the fcuk do you keep mentioing them ?

Absolutely nothing has been confirmed publicly about Derry City using any facilities owned by ayone in Dungiven. So it would probably be wise to stop digging on this one, unless and until something is actually stated publicly on it all. No point getting outraged over something that at this point is currently pure speculation.

[rodgers]

I always thought Prehen playing fields would be a good place to have a training facility. Particularly if a bridge was built between there and the Daisyfield in the future.

[dcfc_jp_1989]

Firstly - it hasn't been confirmed publicly where Derry will be using for training facilities before the new permanent home is ready, so I'd recommend holding off on the pitch forks and burning torches for now

Secondly - you're still completely missing the point here. Which is that - 100yrs into the club's existence - if Derry City have to go anywhere outside of Derry for training facilities then the only people who should be embarassed about that fact are Derry City themselves. Start and end of it. It's the council's job to look after the needs of its 145,000 ratepaying residents - not to provide high-level professional training facilities for a tiny handful of elite athletes at one club. Just because that club hasn't bothered its hole trying to provide for itself over the last century.

The broader point about sporting facilities for ordinary people within the District is a completely separate issue, as it's not about elite training facilities. Though to be honest with you - with the exception of Templemore Sports Complex (which the council is struggling to find the money to modernise), I personaly don't think the facilities in this council area are all that bad overall. Sure - they could be better. But once the plan for the Complex is deivered they'll be fairly good overall IMO. They've come on a hell of a lot oin recent years - from the days when there were hardly any GAA facilities in the city, no leisure centre in the Waterside etc. What facilities are you saying rre absent here (that Templemore won't eventually address) ?

At no point did I try & blame the council for Derry City's predicament regards training facilities you tried to imply that I did & even after I explained my point you're still implying that I'm blaming the council. I'm glad that Derry City are finally looking into finding a permanent training base for themselves (or in the meantime permanently temporary) & not relying on DCSDC. Modernising the sports complex will be welcomed when it happens, will it help address the lack of training facilities for youth teams, what other sports will be considered in their plans etc.

If another council down the road (only speculation on my part as I just assumed the relatively new development in Dungiven was the option rather than Owenbeg) whose finances are in a worse state than DCSDC are able to provide facilities worthy of a professional football club then shouldn't DCSDC be thinking their next development (hopefully Templemore) can be of the same standard. Maybe I should've been more clear on the point I was trying to make but accusing me of entitlement of the council towards Derry City FC was way wide of the mark

At this stage I honestly have no idea what point you'tre trying to make. You say it's a disgrace that the club might have to go to another council area for facilities (which is pure speculation anyway) - then say you're point isn't about the council - then you specifically go on about the state of facilities in the Derry-Strabane council area - and then you say it'sshameful that the club is having to look at a different council area for decent facilities. With respect - if your point ISN'T about councils then why the fcuk do you keep mentioing them ?

Absolutely nothing has been confirmed publicly about Derry City using any facilities owned by ayone in Dungiven. So it would probably be wise to stop digging on this one, unless and until something is actually stated publicly on it all. No point getting outraged over something that at this point is currently pure speculation.

No, I said my point wasn't about feeling entitled that the council should hand Derry City training facilities which you have implied from the beginning & continue to imply for some reason

[Eamando1981]

I was told it was Owenbeg.

It has everything TL needs, and obviously available daytime every day.

[marcoloco]

I always thought Prehen playing fields would be a good place to have a training facility. Particularly if a bridge was built between there and the Daisyfield in the future.

Has bags of potential but its not ready for immediate occupancy

[stevebradley]

No, I said my point wasn't about feeling entitled that the council should hand Derry City training facilities which you have implied from the beginning & continue to imply for some reason

This was your opening post on the issue =

If its Dungiven I'd assume its the relatively new leisure centre which only opened in the last few years, this also is under the remit of the Causeway Coast & Glens Borough Council which should serve as an embarrassment to Derry City & Strabane District Council that the only full-time professional football club in their area has had to avail of the services of another council to meet their demands for training facilities

No matter how you seek to spin it, that clearly states your view that there should be council training facilities in the Derry-Strabane District suitable for Derry City's needs as a full-time professional football club. Otherwise how would it embarass the council?

[stevebradley]

I always thought Prehen playing fields would be a good place to have a training facility. Particularly if a bridge was built between there and the Daisyfield in the future.

There's a major risk/liklihood of a railway line being put somewhere along/through there in the coming decades though.

[magspat]

Can't see new railway line in there anytime soon maybe 50 years for those around to see it