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shauna wrote:Maybe not but it wont stop sinn fein trying to get millions more pumped into a stadium that is filled once a year if derry have a home draw in the ulster championship, other than that its in good enough condition for the rest of the games it hosts each year

Why have a go at the GAA building decent grounds? Fair play to them. Or did you just want to air your dislike for SF?
The GAA got some of the cost of the Celtic Park revamp from Peace III. Did DCFC make any similar applications for funding?
The GAA have got their act together, got politicans on board, and rep the rewards of it. They're an example of what LoI clubs should be doing. We're miles behind.

O/T, but no reason why Celtic Park couldn't host RWC games (after refurbishment).

brendy_éire wrote:

shauna wrote:Maybe not but it wont stop sinn fein trying to get millions more pumped into a stadium that is filled once a year if derry have a home draw in the ulster championship, other than that its in good enough condition for the rest of the games it hosts each year

Why have a go at the GAA building decent grounds? Fair play to them. Or did you just want to air your dislike for SF?
The GAA got some of the cost of the Celtic Park revamp from Peace III. Did DCFC make any similar applications for funding?
The GAA have got their act together, got politicans on board, and rep the rewards of it. They're an example of what LoI clubs should be doing. We're miles behind.

O/T, but no reason why Celtic Park couldn't host RWC games (after refurbishment).

I have absolutely no time for sinn fein they dont give a fcuk about bringing anything decent to derry they are just interested in belfast

Celtic Park could host RWC games, you only need to see some of the grounds that hosted games in 2011 (particularly Arena Manawatu).

Would question the infrastructure of Derry in terms of have the necessary training and recovery facilities needed for rugby players but then again it would only be second and second/third tier nations.

I don't think would Derry would receive the support to host games, only a minimal rugby presence in the city (would enough tickets be sold, for what would be a low grade match?). Unless the GAA (as a way of completing Celtic Parks development) or politicians (you can make your own joke) pushed for Derry to be considered I doubt it would happen.

eugenio wrote:I have no ideas on planning etc but Derry people have set the bar very very high on other initiatives in our City. My simple suggestion is to do what any city would do with World Renowned figures IE wheel them out in a blaze of publicity to "up the ante. "
I suggest the Board enlist John Hume Bishop Edward Daly and Martin MC Guinness to act as ambassadors for our Club to raise the profile on the stadium issue and perhaps get media attention focussed on our " plight" for that's what it is .
We should not be in the third world sporting wise in 2015

I don't think the first two people you list are in good enough health to do such a job.

Martin has had the chance to do something for the city since he gained power, and appears to have done little.

i see the spokesperson for the council committee who are deferring the tender process until further consultation with the greyhound men happens on the bbc news tonight. drew thompson from the dup.

doomed at all levels

More development ?
The wall along the Lone Moor Rd is no more...

The Berlin Wall came down quicker.

This is not more development, the wall demolition was always going to happen along with the Glentoran stand. Get used to the Tarmac on the site of the demolished stand, we will be looking at it for a few years yet.

Greengo wrote:More development ?
The wall along the Lone Moor Rd is no more...

It's just H+S work that has been planned for a few years.

keenan85 wrote:Celtic Park could host RWC games, you only need to see some of the grounds that hosted games in 2011 (particularly Arena Manawatu).

Would question the infrastructure of Derry in terms of have the necessary training and recovery facilities needed for rugby players but then again it would only be second and second/third tier nations.

I don't think would Derry would receive the support to host games, only a minimal rugby presence in the city (would enough tickets be sold, for what would be a low grade match?). Unless the GAA (as a way of completing Celtic Parks development) or politicians (you can make your own joke) pushed for Derry to be considered I doubt it would happen.

I think Derry would be a very good strategic inclusion in any Irish world cup venue list. It's a regional capital and Ireland's 4th biggest city, yet also the city where rugby is weakest. The only way is therefore up for rugby in and around Derry. Milton Keynes was included in the current RWC precisely because it's a big town with no rugby tradition. If the game is to grow it needs to showcase itself outside its heartland areas, and a World Cup is the ideal opportunity to do that.

Rugby is also hampered in NI by being seen largely as a protestant sport, so taking the game to somewhere like Derry would be a big step down the road in trying to address that.

The game is also making quiet but steady progress locally anyway. The fastest growth area for rugby in Ulster over the last few years has been Inishowen, believe it or not.

If we had a suitable stadium in Derry we might be able to entice the odd Ulster Rugby game over from Ravenhill as well (friendlies at least). To bring this all back to Derry City, if we moved away from the polished turd at the Brandywell to a purpose-built mixed-use stadium at the council-owned Templemore, we might have a chance of seeing Ulster Rugby play in Derry some day. With just the Brandywell and Celtic Park we have zero chance of that.

Some of what you say is ok. Some is just silly.


Does this mean the plastic pitch is being held up too?

Brandywell is the only show in town. We need everyone pulling in the one direction.

forza wrote:Some of what you say is ok. Some is just silly.


Does this mean the plastic pitch is being held up too?

Brandywell is the only show in town. We need everyone pulling in the one direction.

Agree with you forza, all this pie in the sky nonsense about moving to fort george or templemore when will derry fans realise that the brandywell redevelopment is the only show in town and get behind the project

forza wrote:Some of what you say is ok. Some is just silly.


Does this mean the plastic pitch is being held up too?

Brandywell is the only show in town. We need everyone pulling in the one direction.

Don't mention 'one direction' !

I think Derry would be a very good strategic inclusion in any Irish world cup venue list. It's a regional capital and Ireland's 4th biggest city, yet also the city where rugby is weakest. The only way is therefore up for rugby in and around Derry. Milton Keynes was included in the current RWC precisely because it's a big town with no rugby tradition. If the game is to grow it needs to showcase itself outside its heartland areas, and a World Cup is the ideal opportunity to do that.

I agree with you that its a great chance to expand the game into a largely untapped market but who exactly is going bang the table for Derry to get these games? Politicians? GAA? I have little faith in politicians and doubt the GAA would unless it suited their purposes.

Milton Keynes made sense for the RWC 2015 due to its proximity to London and stadium size. Take a look at the stadiums suggested for the Ireland bid below, in reality what stadium is likely to miss out so Derry can a game??

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/w ... 02033.html

Stadiums 1-5 and 8-11 wont miss out due to size or being rugby grounds. That leaves Pearse Stadium, the RDS and Casement Park as the ones likely to miss out for CP. If they didn't have games in Galway it would be a kick in the face for Connacht rugby. The RDS shouldn't host a game but its the home of Leinster rugby so in all likely hood they get games and I really can't see Celtic Park getting games over Casement (if the redevelopment goes ahead).

If we had a suitable stadium in Derry we might be able to entice the odd Ulster Rugby game over from Ravenhill as well (friendlies at least). To bring this all back to Derry City, if we moved away from the polished turd at the Brandywell to a purpose-built mixed-use stadium at the council-owned Templemore, we might have a chance of seeing Ulster Rugby play in Derry some day. With just the Brandywell and Celtic Park we have zero chance of that.

Agree 100% but do you have faith in the current board to show that level of imagination or vision needed? It appears depressingly that they are happy to be a political football and run our club with no long term vision or plan.

keenan85 wrote:

I think Derry would be a very good strategic inclusion in any Irish world cup venue list. It's a regional capital and Ireland's 4th biggest city, yet also the city where rugby is weakest. The only way is therefore up for rugby in and around Derry. Milton Keynes was included in the current RWC precisely because it's a big town with no rugby tradition. If the game is to grow it needs to showcase itself outside its heartland areas, and a World Cup is the ideal opportunity to do that.

I agree with you that its a great chance to expand the game into a largely untapped market but who exactly is going bang the table for Derry to get these games? Politicians? GAA? I have little faith in politicians and doubt the GAA would unless it suited their purposes.

A good point. Unless the rugby fraternity in the North-West make the case, it's unlikely that anyone else will.

keenan85 wrote:Milton Keynes made sense for the RWC 2015 due to its proximity to London and stadium size. Take a look at the stadiums suggested for the Ireland bid below, in reality what stadium is likely to miss out so Derry can a game??

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/w ... 02033.html

Stadiums 1-5 and 8-11 wont miss out due to size or being rugby grounds. That leaves Pearse Stadium, the RDS and Casement Park as the ones likely to miss out for CP. If they didn't have games in Galway it would be a kick in the face for Connacht rugby. The RDS shouldn't host a game but its the home of Leinster rugby so in all likely hood they get games and I really can't see Celtic Park getting games over Casement (if the redevelopment goes ahead).

The weak link in that stadium list is the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick. Why should a city the size of Limerick have 2 stadiums in a RWC ? Could they even cope with it in terms of infrastructure (e.g. hotels) ? There would be a very strong argument to say Ireland's 4th biggest city should have one stadium venue instead of Ireland's 5th biggest city getting two. But as you said, who will stand up and fight for that ?

keenan85 wrote:

If we had a suitable stadium in Derry we might be able to entice the odd Ulster Rugby game over from Ravenhill as well (friendlies at least). To bring this all back to Derry City, if we moved away from the polished turd at the Brandywell to a purpose-built mixed-use stadium at the council-owned Templemore, we might have a chance of seeing Ulster Rugby play in Derry some day. With just the Brandywell and Celtic Park we have zero chance of that.

Agree 100% but do you have faith in the current board to show that level of imagination or vision needed? It appears depressingly that they are happy to be a political football and run our club with no long term vision or plan.

I have no faith in the club showing the necessary vision on this. I think a lot of our fans have also bought the while 'only show in town' spiel far too easily to be honest, which in-turn takes the pressure off of the club and politicians.

If a partial tart-up of the Brandywell is considered the answer to Derry City's future, and in-turn that of the entire city re arena and stadia space, then we're seriously asking the wrong question. One of the world's biggest sporting events could come to this island, with towns like Castlebar and Killarney getting a look-in for it and Ireland's most historical city not even on the long-list. If that doesn't raise alarm bells and make people stop and think for a second about where Derry is headed, then nothing will.

From the plans it looks like the training pitch will be right up behind the goal of the main pitch so that there's no opportunity to build behind it in the future. But looks like there might be space behind the opposite goal.

Also:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian ... urf-field/

rodgers wrote:From the plans it looks like the training pitch will be right up behind the goal of the main pitch so that there's no opportunity to build behind it in the future. But looks like there might be space behind the opposite goal.

Also:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian ... urf-field/

Were are the plans online as i cant find any links

Raymond McCartney has claimed the development will progress as planned. Take what you want from that.

TenaciousDee wrote:Raymond McCartney has claimed the development will progress as planned. Take what you want from that.

When & Where did he say that ?

Press release he has circulating today.