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marcoloco wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:50 pm

stevebradley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:48 pm

marcoloco wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:31 pm

Surely the issue there is the level difference between the pitch and the footpath outside? I'm only guesing here but to do that right you'd need to remove the area behind the goal, including the wall and build it up property from the foundations. And new stand would then replace the existing wall. So like all things if you owned the place and had the money it would be a great idea...

Depending on the height difference, could you not tier up on the inside and have the entrance from street level coming into the top level of a new stand there ? The difference in levels would decide what was possible re that in terms of necessary gradient etc.

I guess anything is possible, including a new access straight into the stand, if you spend enough money on it. It would be fantastic to have a behind the goal vantage point but the first priority is to deliver the remaining missing sections of the MF stand. Until we are regularly selling out 5k tickets (guessing that's the new capacity post MF) then I would not spend money on a temporary fix if there's any possibility of future re-development. Though the chances of either a temporary fix or further redevelopment is pie in the sky.

stevebradley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:55 pm

marcoloco wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:50 pm

stevebradley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:48 pm

Depending on the height difference, could you not tier up on the inside and have the entrance from street level coming into the top level of a new stand there ? The difference in levels would decide what was possible re that in terms of necessary gradient etc.

I guess anything is possible, including a new access straight into the stand, if you spend enough money on it. It would be fantastic to have a behind the goal vantage point but the first priority is to deliver the remaining missing sections of the MF stand. Until we are regularly selling out 5k tickets (guessing that's the new capacity post MF) then I would not spend money on a temporary fix if there's any possibility of future re-development. Though the chances of either a temporary fix or further redevelopment is pie in the sky.

From memoery, only one-third of the MF Stand has been built. So if that's 900 now, it would suggest 2,700 seats when finished. Though looking at the Brandywell Road end and where the floodlight is, I can't see the existing stand being replicated there again TBH. Maybe the other side can fit a bit more in, but that would leave the stand looking weird and lopsided.

Agree that completing the MF Stand is the priority. I was just looking at the Brandywell Road end on Tuesday night and thought it could work for a small self-contained away stand. The other goal can't have anythigh behidn it because of the passageway and the closeness of the dog track.

Anyway - if the finished Mark Farren is 2,700, that would take overall capacity to about 5,500 I think ? Which should be good enough for us for most games over the foreseeable future. The present capacity is clearly too small anyways. There'll probably be a mad scramble for STs for next year. Great to see, but also frustrating when there is money sitting at Stormont that is being held hostage by a party that is well represented in Derry.

brandyball wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:56 am Coleraine have applied for £16 million from the UK Government levelling up fund.. Wonder can we follow suit.

stevebradley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:17 pm

brandyball wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:56 am Coleraine have applied for £16 million from the UK Government levelling up fund.. Wonder can we follow suit.

The Council already has a number of applications in to the Levlling Up fund for our area, and secured £16m for them. Details here : https://www.derrystrabane.com/Council/N ... nd-project

They strike me as council pet projects that were probably on their To Do list anyway, and not the kind of things I would genuiely expect to do much to 'level up' the area economically anyway.

Wasn't it just £3m we were originally looking from Stormont to finish the MF Stand (though that will have gone up a lot since then) ?

brandyball wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:43 pm

stevebradley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:17 pm

brandyball wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:56 am Coleraine have applied for £16 million from the UK Government levelling up fund.. Wonder can we follow suit.

The Council already has a number of applications in to the Levlling Up fund for our area, and secured £16m for them. Details here : https://www.derrystrabane.com/Council/N ... nd-project

They strike me as council pet projects that were probably on their To Do list anyway, and not the kind of things I would genuiely expect to do much to 'level up' the area economically anyway.

Wasn't it just £3m we were originally looking from Stormont to finish the MF Stand (though that will have gone up a lot since then) ?

Jeez you'd think they'd finish the Mark Farren stand first.

TenaciousDee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:12 pm I don't think there has been an election since I turned 18 that I haven't been told to remind a politician at my door about the Brandywell. Nearly 20 years and we are still talking about broken promises. Grim

brendanp wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:09 pm In the southend park stand, if you move the access stairs to in front of the stairwells, then you could put at least 2 extra rows of seats in. That's over 500 seats for minimal cost.

stevebradley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:59 pm

TenaciousDee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:12 pm I don't think there has been an election since I turned 18 that I haven't been told to remind a politician at my door about the Brandywell. Nearly 20 years and we are still talking about broken promises. Grim

But this time it's down to just a single politician. The money is there - it just needs the process confirmed and the money allocated. It's clear who is resposnsible for that not happening.

marcoloco wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:14 pm

stevebradley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:59 pm

TenaciousDee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:12 pm I don't think there has been an election since I turned 18 that I haven't been told to remind a politician at my door about the Brandywell. Nearly 20 years and we are still talking about broken promises. Grim

But this time it's down to just a single politician. The money is there - it just needs the process confirmed and the money allocated. It's clear who is resposnsible for that not happening.

Steve the money is there. £36m of it. However, there's now several IL clubs with business cases all seeking a chunk of money. Our neighbours Institute are another (who are currently homeless) and they too are seeking assistance. So you are correct to say there's money and we know who is holding it back (and why) but also the landscape has changed and now Glentoran, Coleraine, Institute and a host of other Clubs have all since joined us in the Q all looking for a helping hand. It's a shit show that this has dragged on this long especially when you think it was M McG that made the promise many years ago. I maintain the biggest disgrace was not doing a proper job of it when they had the chance instead of settling for a bit part solution.

stevebradley wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:01 pm

marcoloco wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:14 pm

stevebradley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:59 pm

But this time it's down to just a single politician. The money is there - it just needs the process confirmed and the money allocated. It's clear who is resposnsible for that not happening.

Steve the money is there. £36m of it. However, there's now several IL clubs with business cases all seeking a chunk of money. Our neighbours Institute are another (who are currently homeless) and they too are seeking assistance. So you are correct to say there's money and we know who is holding it back (and why) but also the landscape has changed and now Glentoran, Coleraine, Institute and a host of other Clubs have all since joined us in the Q all looking for a helping hand. It's a shit show that this has dragged on this long especially when you think it was M McG that made the promise many years ago. I maintain the biggest disgrace was not doing a proper job of it when they had the chance instead of settling for a bit part solution.

Yeah - it's the perfect storm in that there are now more clubs looking for the money, and at the same time the available funds will deliver a lot less overall due to construction inflation. I suspect that some sort of deal will be done to ensure Casement Park gets extra money from Stormont, however, and I wouldn't be surprised if part of the horse trading for that sees additional funds also going into the Sub-Regional Stadia fund for football.

The silver lining for us is that Stute's new ground is still at a very early stage and doesn't have planning permission, so won't be eligible for this funding.

marcoloco wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:47 pm

stevebradley wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:01 pm

marcoloco wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:14 pm

Steve the money is there. £36m of it. However, there's now several IL clubs with business cases all seeking a chunk of money. Our neighbours Institute are another (who are currently homeless) and they too are seeking assistance. So you are correct to say there's money and we know who is holding it back (and why) but also the landscape has changed and now Glentoran, Coleraine, Institute and a host of other Clubs have all since joined us in the Q all looking for a helping hand. It's a shit show that this has dragged on this long especially when you think it was M McG that made the promise many years ago. I maintain the biggest disgrace was not doing a proper job of it when they had the chance instead of settling for a bit part solution.

Yeah - it's the perfect storm in that there are now more clubs looking for the money, and at the same time the available funds will deliver a lot less overall due to construction inflation. I suspect that some sort of deal will be done to ensure Casement Park gets extra money from Stormont, however, and I wouldn't be surprised if part of the horse trading for that sees additional funds also going into the Sub-Regional Stadia fund for football.

The silver lining for us is that Stute's new ground is still at a very early stage and doesn't have planning permission, so won't be eligible for this funding.

Only a silver lining IF the £££ is distributed prior to Institute securing pp. I would not be surprised if they have their permission long before any money is made available.

brandyball wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:04 pm Treaty Utd manager said the Pitch is Hampering us.