fish-head wrote:frustrating but not really surprising. summed up pretty well by greengo. anything which politicians are involved in which benefits derry and the northwest is normally doomed to never get off the ground (don't hold your breath for the a5/a6). add derry city council into the mix and it's doomed exponentially. the fact that they have presided as landlords of the decrepid brandywell for so many years says it all really, they really must have a brass neck to be associated with the state of it.
i'd agree that dcfc should look at other options with a view to walking away from it. there would be short(ish) term pain but long term we'd be better off.
on another note, maybe i'm being a bit naive but why can't the development of new stands and facilities go ahead keeping the existing pitch and laying the new 3/4g later?
When A5 was ready to go the Unionist opponents came up with query on environmental impact and the project was scuppered Now we have the tame provos and others in Council coming up with reasons for wrecking Brandywell development. Did no one realise the doggy men hadn't gone away you know now there is a red herring about spending public money on a project to be used by private companies I assume to mean DCFC and doggy company. A nonentity independent councillor has just said on R Foyle that we need a master plan which will obviously mean meetings,adjournments, and someone proposing a multiagency approach involving all parties.
We need to be asking what all these wankers have been doing for the last few years to ensure just such issues where dealt with.
And for all you guys who dismiss E Mahon Fort George proposals it is as realistic as getting the Brandywell done anytime soon
A 12mth delay ?! That's some serious consultation. Sounds like there's a lot more to come out on this story yet.
Remember the whole 'Only show in town' stuff about the Brandywell years back ? Well this is what happens when your destiny is utterly dependent upon other people, and you're daft enough to tell the world that you have no Plan B.
We should've put the wheels in motion years ago to get away from the Brandywell. The place is no good for the club, and we know it but we're either too afraid or too lacking in vision to take the leap. Land values in NI dropped by over 50% between 2007 and 2009, and have barely recovered (especially around Derry). If we'd spent the last 7 years constantly working on ways to generate our part of the cost of a new mixed-use stadium somewhere else in the city (and I still say Templemore is the right place), then we'd be in a much stronger position with the council right now. They can't afford to spend money on a Brandywell without Derry City FC as the anchor tenant, so we would have a strong negotiating position if we hadn't been so daft as to tell everyone that we'll stay there no matter what.
There are key decision points for every organisation which have profound implications upon the shape of their entire future. The road marked ' Stay at Brandywell, no matter what' has been nothing but a depressing cul-de-sac for our club, and will remain so even if we do finally get the long-promised new stand there. Does anyone think the council will magically become great landlords if and when that work is finally done ? What's to stop the Brandywell slowly declining into dereliction again as soon as their once-a-century investment is finally done ? Even if we do finally get this 'chinese democracy' stand, I'll still be of the view that our future is not best served at the Brandywell.
stevebradley wrote:A 12mth delay ?! That's some serious consultation. Sounds like there's a lot more to come out on this story yet.
Remember the whole 'Only show in town' stuff about the Brandywell years back ? Well this is what happens when your destiny is utterly dependent upon other people, and you're daft enough to tell the world that you have no Plan B.
We should've put the wheels in motion years ago to get away from the Brandywell. The place is no good for the club, and we know it but we're either too afraid or too lacking in vision to take the leap. Land values in NI dropped by over 50% between 2007 and 2009, and have barely recovered (especially around Derry). If we'd spent the last 7 years constantly working on ways to generate our part of the cost of a new mixed-use stadium somewhere else in the city (and I still say Templemore is the right place), then we'd be in a much stronger position with the council right now. They can't afford to spend money on a Brandywell without Derry City FC as the anchor tenant, so we would have a strong negotiating position if we hadn't been so daft as to tell everyone that we'll stay there no matter what.
There are key decision points for every organisation which have profound implications upon the shape of their entire future. The road marked ' Stay at Brandywell, no matter what' has been nothing but a depressing cul-de-sac for our club, and will remain so even if we do finally get the long-promised new stand there. Does anyone think the council will magically become great landlords if and when that work is finally done ? What's to stop the Brandywell slowly declining into dereliction again as soon as their once-a-century investment is finally done ? Even if we do finally get this 'chinese democracy' stand, I'll still be of the view that our future is not best served at the Brandywell.
I agree with all of this, particularly the Templemore suggestion.
stevebradley wrote:A 12mth delay ?! That's some serious consultation. Sounds like there's a lot more to come out on this story yet.
Remember the whole 'Only show in town' stuff about the Brandywell years back ? Well this is what happens when your destiny is utterly dependent upon other people, and you're daft enough to tell the world that you have no Plan B.
We should've put the wheels in motion years ago to get away from the Brandywell. The place is no good for the club, and we know it but we're either too afraid or too lacking in vision to take the leap. Land values in NI dropped by over 50% between 2007 and 2009, and have barely recovered (especially around Derry). If we'd spent the last 7 years constantly working on ways to generate our part of the cost of a new mixed-use stadium somewhere else in the city (and I still say Templemore is the right place), then we'd be in a much stronger position with the council right now. They can't afford to spend money on a Brandywell without Derry City FC as the anchor tenant, so we would have a strong negotiating position if we hadn't been so daft as to tell everyone that we'll stay there no matter what.
There are key decision points for every organisation which have profound implications upon the shape of their entire future. The road marked ' Stay at Brandywell, no matter what' has been nothing but a depressing cul-de-sac for our club, and will remain so even if we do finally get the long-promised new stand there. Does anyone think the council will magically become great landlords if and when that work is finally done ? What's to stop the Brandywell slowly declining into dereliction again as soon as their once-a-century investment is finally done ? Even if we do finally get this 'chinese democracy' stand, I'll still be of the view that our future is not best served at the Brandywell.
I agree with all of this, particularly the Templemore suggestion.
Its no good us agreeing on here its the clowns in the council and our politicians that need to start listening
stevebradley wrote:A 12mth delay ?! That's some serious consultation. Sounds like there's a lot more to come out on this story yet.
Remember the whole 'Only show in town' stuff about the Brandywell years back ? Well this is what happens when your destiny is utterly dependent upon other people, and you're daft enough to tell the world that you have no Plan B.
We should've put the wheels in motion years ago to get away from the Brandywell. The place is no good for the club, and we know it but we're either too afraid or too lacking in vision to take the leap. Land values in NI dropped by over 50% between 2007 and 2009, and have barely recovered (especially around Derry). If we'd spent the last 7 years constantly working on ways to generate our part of the cost of a new mixed-use stadium somewhere else in the city (and I still say Templemore is the right place), then we'd be in a much stronger position with the council right now. They can't afford to spend money on a Brandywell without Derry City FC as the anchor tenant, so we would have a strong negotiating position if we hadn't been so daft as to tell everyone that we'll stay there no matter what.
There are key decision points for every organisation which have profound implications upon the shape of their entire future. The road marked ' Stay at Brandywell, no matter what' has been nothing but a depressing cul-de-sac for our club, and will remain so even if we do finally get the long-promised new stand there. Does anyone think the council will magically become great landlords if and when that work is finally done ? What's to stop the Brandywell slowly declining into dereliction again as soon as their once-a-century investment is finally done ? Even if we do finally get this 'chinese democracy' stand, I'll still be of the view that our future is not best served at the Brandywell.
I agree with all of this, particularly the Templemore suggestion.
Its no good us agreeing on here its the clowns in the council and our politicians that need to start listening
No - it's for Derry City to make its own future, and stop looking to everyone else to do us a favour.
The politicians will say we're no more important to fund than a school, road or hospital, and there's probably less votes in our club if we're honest. The only people who can be looked to to genuinely have Derry City's interests at hearts are those who run it and support it. No-one else owes us any favours.
We should've put the wheels in motion years ago to get away from the Brandywell. The place is no good for the club, and we know it but we're either too afraid or too lacking in vision to take the leap. Land values in NI dropped by over 50% between 2007 and 2009, and have barely recovered (especially around Derry). If we'd spent the last 7 years constantly working on ways to generate our part of the cost of a new mixed-use stadium somewhere else in the city (and I still say Templemore is the right place), then we'd be in a much stronger position with the council right now. They can't afford to spend money on a Brandywell without Derry City FC as the anchor tenant, so we would have a strong negotiating position if we hadn't been so daft as to tell everyone that we'll stay there no matter what.
There are key decision points for every organisation which have profound implications upon the shape of their entire future. The road marked ' Stay at Brandywell, no matter what' has been nothing but a depressing cul-de-sac for our club, and will remain so even if we do finally get the long-promised new stand there. Does anyone think the council will magically become great landlords if and when that work is finally done ? What's to stop the Brandywell slowly declining into dereliction again as soon as their once-a-century investment is finally done ? Even if we do finally get this 'chinese democracy' stand, I'll still be of the view that our future is not best served at the Brandywell.[/quote]
I agree with all of this, particularly the Templemore suggestion.[/quote]
Its no good us agreeing on here its the clowns in the council and our politicians that need to start listening[/quote]
No - it's for Derry City to make its own future, and stop looking to everyone else to do us a favour.
The politicians will say we're no more important to fund than a school, road or hospital, and there's probably less votes in our club if we're honest. The only people who can be looked to to genuinely have Derry City's interests at hearts are those who run it and support it. No-one else owes us any favours.[/quote]
Thats nonsense if you use your way of thinking then the government shouldnt have given a penny to ravenhill, windsor park or casement park and let those associations sort out their own grounds without as you say "anyone else doing them a favour ". We are only asking for what everyone else is getting and a lot less at that
Did the Derry board not honestly know the consultation period was not even started yet ?
Why then demolish the stand - the Derry board look very stupid in all this. They are running around making statements without even knowing the actual position in relation to the stadium from the Council in the first place.
There has been a lot of valid questions asked on here weeks ago - about what the situation is with the greyhound people - which a lot of people seem to have missed.
It is obvious to most outsiders, that no work whatsover will commence on the new stand / pitch, until the greyhound track is relocated first. So in essence, the first thing that has to happen is for work to commence in the showgrounds first of all - then once the new greyhound track is in place and operational, then the work can begin in the Brandywell itself.
Yet it seems that the greyhound situation has not been sorted out firstly, in terms of moving them and what rent they will pay - so without that in place, how then can they start to rip out a pitch etc ?
It is not rocket science and I really don't understand why the Derry board seem to have missed this point also.
Back in April this year, someone reasonably well placed advised me the following - "Towards the end of the season the Glentoran stand will be demolished, that side of the ground will then be cordoned off and then nothing further will happen for quite some time - the Derry board don't understand the legal process that has to be followed in securing planning / funding / consultation period / tender period / construction / legal issues etc; and making statements that work is going to start on 28th May is a nonsense and in fact rubbing people up the wrong way within Council."
Could we have a constructive push by supporters of Derry City to gel politicians or prospective politicians into a time defined programme for sport in the city. If Apex would build houses of substance on the brandywell and kill off this issue, then use the fort George desert for a proper arena for sport. The demographics of supporters is more central to Desert George. It is the safest area for events with easy access/escape and bother free zone in the town. The hype of business use for it is overplayed with little chance of real jobs coming, as the length of time for the hopeless situation of development and Ilex stagnation is stark.
Our politicking amateurs don't have a clue on whole town development and need directed into positive citizens ventures. Vote starvation could put the wind up them, but that requires action by supporters through the close season and into the run up to elections which are due shortly.
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According to council minutes (on line) all still on track - just the doggie men need to be consulted on a possible fee for using showgrounds.
I was all for a move years ago but I have given up on that given we are well down the brandywell option now.
I have no ideas on planning etc but Derry people have set the bar very very high on other initiatives in our City. My simple suggestion is to do what any city would do with World Renowned figures IE wheel them out in a blaze of publicity to "up the ante. "
I suggest the Board enlist John Hume Bishop Edward Daly and Martin MC Guinness to act as ambassadors for our Club to raise the profile on the stadium issue and perhaps get media attention focussed on our " plight" for that's what it is .
We should not be in the third world sporting wise in 2015
eugenio wrote:I have no ideas on planning etc but Derry people have set the bar very very high on other initiatives in our City. My simple suggestion is to do what any city would do with World Renowned figures IE wheel them out in a blaze of publicity to "up the ante. "
I suggest the Board enlist John Hume Bishop Edward Daly and Martin MC Guinness to act as ambassadors for our Club to raise the profile on the stadium issue and perhaps get media attention focussed on our " plight" for that's what it is .
We should not be in the third world sporting wise in 2015
Pipe Dream. There is no way Celtic Park will host a Rugby World Cup game regardless of extension to the stadium or not.
Maybe not but it wont stop sinn fein trying to get millions more pumped into a stadium that is filled once a year if derry have a home draw in the ulster championship, other than that its in good enough condition for the rest of the games it hosts each year
Pipe Dream. There is no way Celtic Park will host a Rugby World Cup game regardless of extension to the stadium or not.
Maybe not but it wont stop sinn fein trying to get millions more pumped into a stadium that is filled once a year if derry have a home draw in the ulster championship, other than that its in good enough condition for the rest of the games it hosts each year
marty mcfly and doc brown arrive from 1985 tomorrow morning at 07:28. i'm sure they'd be surprised to find the state the brandywell's still in if they came to derry. if they came up the a5 at that time of the morning, they'd not get here till 10.
