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marcoloco wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:19 pm Broadly speaking Higgins has done a good job in the transfer market for us...

4 players that we released that actually weakened us...

1. Joe Thomson
2. Akentunde
3. Cian Kavanagh
4. Brandon Kavanagh

Seriously?

I'd agree with the other 3 but big Cian had a habit of forgetting his lines when in on goal... Tallaght in the Europa league springs to mind...

Joe Thompson had a habit of going to sleep for long periods. Big Cian had a habit of missing big chances and the touch of an elephant. Brandon had a habit of losing possession and giving away goals and Aki had a big habit of only scoring 1 in 8 chances. Wouldn’t swap any of our current players for any of these guys…

mokendismucker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:20 pm Joe Thompson had a habit of going to sleep for long periods. Big Cian had a habit of missing big chances and the touch of an elephant. Brandon had a habit of losing possession and giving away goals and Aki had a big habit of only scoring 1 in 8 chances. Wouldn’t swap any of our current players for any of these guys…

Jeez that's a lot of Bad Habits

Awful

mokendismucker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:20 pm Joe Thompson had a habit of going to sleep for long periods. Big Cian had a habit of missing big chances and the touch of an elephant. Brandon had a habit of losing possession and giving away goals and Aki had a big habit of only scoring 1 in 8 chances. Wouldn’t swap any of our current players for any of these guys…

Course you wouldn't, Ruaidhrí

The point i'm making is that we've released players that has weakened us as a team. Transfer dealings are more than just incomings. We've shipped out several players (often needlessly) that offered us something different and they wern't replaced or bettered.

I accept that Cian was not a starter but he had a presence about him and is similar to other squad players in that role who chip in with the odd important goal. So yes, out of the 4 mentioned he's the weakest link.

marcoloco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:34 am

mokendismucker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:20 pm Joe Thompson had a habit of going to sleep for long periods. Big Cian had a habit of missing big chances and the touch of an elephant. Brandon had a habit of losing possession and giving away goals and Aki had a big habit of only scoring 1 in 8 chances. Wouldn’t swap any of our current players for any of these guys…

Course you wouldn't, Ruaidhrí

The point i'm making is that we've released players that has weakened us as a team. Transfer dealings are more than just incomings. We've shipped out several players (often needlessly) that offered us something different and they wern't replaced or bettered.

I accept that Cian was not a starter but he had a presence about him and is similar to other squad players in that role who chip in with the odd important goal. So yes, out of the 4 mentioned he's the weakest link.

We replaced Cian with Hoban TBF.

brandyball wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:24 am

marcoloco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:34 am

mokendismucker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:20 pm Joe Thompson had a habit of going to sleep for long periods. Big Cian had a habit of missing big chances and the touch of an elephant. Brandon had a habit of losing possession and giving away goals and Aki had a big habit of only scoring 1 in 8 chances. Wouldn’t swap any of our current players for any of these guys…

Course you wouldn't, Ruaidhrí

The point i'm making is that we've released players that has weakened us as a team. Transfer dealings are more than just incomings. We've shipped out several players (often needlessly) that offered us something different and they wern't replaced or bettered.

I accept that Cian was not a starter but he had a presence about him and is similar to other squad players in that role who chip in with the odd important goal. So yes, out of the 4 mentioned he's the weakest link.

We replaced Cian with Hoban TBF.

Jamie McGonigle > Hoban?

marcoloco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:30 am

brandyball wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:24 am

marcoloco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:34 am

Course you wouldn't, Ruaidhrí

The point i'm making is that we've released players that has weakened us as a team. Transfer dealings are more than just incomings. We've shipped out several players (often needlessly) that offered us something different and they wern't replaced or bettered.

I accept that Cian was not a starter but he had a presence about him and is similar to other squad players in that role who chip in with the odd important goal. So yes, out of the 4 mentioned he's the weakest link.

We replaced Cian with Hoban TBF.

Jamie McGonigle > Hoban?

Jeez forgot about Jamie.

Serious question and its not a criticism. This question applies to all LOI teams not just us...

Do teams actually have scouts that source and track players or do lots of signings just come about because a trusted player recommends someone they know who happens to be looking for a club?

"We played as a midfield three at the Man City Academy- Will, Sadou and myself, and I've stayed in contact with them so I know a bit about the league here...

Didn't the same thing happen with Akendunde who used to play in London along with Junior?

Clearly Jacob can play a bit based on his former achievements so i'm looking forward to seeing the 3 of them play together and hopefully have an understanding which should only benefit us.

marcoloco wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:19 pm Broadly speaking Higgins has done a good job in the transfer market for us...

4 players that we released that actually weakened us...

1. Joe Thomson
2. Akentunde
3. Cian Kavanagh
4. Brandon Kavanagh

Ok. So Joe Thompson was replaced by O’Reilly. Aki by Whelan. Cian by Mullen. Jamie by Hoban.

The only argument is Brandon, who was and is prone to losing possession in vulnerable areas and who wanted away anyway. He couldn’t get into the first 11 then and he still wouldn’t now.

mokendismucker wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:41 pm

marcoloco wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:19 pm Broadly speaking Higgins has done a good job in the transfer market for us...

4 players that we released that actually weakened us...

1. Joe Thomson
2. Akentunde
3. Cian Kavanagh
4. Brandon Kavanagh

Ok. So Joe Thompson was replaced by O’Reilly. Aki by Whelan. Cian by Mullen. Jamie by Hoban.

The only argument is Brandon, who was and is prone to losing possession in vulnerable areas and who wanted away anyway. He couldn’t get into the first 11 then and he still wouldn’t now.

Thompson was a box to box player that chipped in with a fair amount of goals and being a few years older added experience. OReilly has been excellent 'this season'. For me arguably our best or most consistent player this season. Joe left us last January.

Whelan has not worked out. We bought a player recovering from a serious injury, give him a 2 yr contract and then the poor lad is back on the treatment table with the same injury. It was a risk that didn't pay off. A fantastic player when match fit but no good if he's injured all the time. Missed most of last season and this season and will likely depart in October as we can't risk giving him another 2 yrs.

Cian for Mullan is like for like.

Brandon, at 21, is a young player with a big future and proving his worth at Pats. Now looking a bit daft that we didn't convince him to remain.

Whelan is on the verge of returning too.

If he stays fit for the remainder of the season, he could be like a new signing for the all important run in.

Would RH play him and Hoban together?

Keyser Soze wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:31 pm Whelan is on the verge of returning too.

If he stays fit for the remainder of the season, he could be like a new signing for the all important run in.

Would RH play him and Hoban together?

Doubt it, not from the start anyway.

marcoloco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:05 pm Whelan has not worked out. We bought a player recovering from a serious injury, give him a 2 yr contract and then the poor lad is back on the treatment table with the same injury. It was a risk that didn't pay off. A fantastic player when match fit but no good if he's injured all the time. Missed most of last season and this season and will likely depart in October as we can't risk giving him another 2 yrs.

Whelan should be back on the pitch again very soon. If he sees out the rest of this season in good health, and does the job we all think he can for us, we'd be mad to not keep hin on for at least one more year. Spending 2yrs waiting on him to recover just to release him when he is would be madness.

stevebradley wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:22 pm

marcoloco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:05 pm Whelan has not worked out. We bought a player recovering from a serious injury, give him a 2 yr contract and then the poor lad is back on the treatment table with the same injury. It was a risk that didn't pay off. A fantastic player when match fit but no good if he's injured all the time. Missed most of last season and this season and will likely depart in October as we can't risk giving him another 2 yrs.

Whelan should be back on the pitch again very soon. If he sees out the rest of this season in good health, and does the job we all think he can for us, we'd be mad to not keep hin on for at least one more year. Spending 2yrs waiting on him to recover just to release him when he is would be madness.

A pay as you play contract could work otherwise it would be mad to offer him a contract. 2 x serious injuries in 3 years - to the same knee. Anyone that has suffered a ACL will know that 1 is bad. 2 unthinkable. The body then compensates and you start to get niggles elsewhere. I just think its too big of a risk when those wages could be spent elsehwere. We already have Fats who is injury prone. Harkin another one. You can't just continue with 3 or 4 of the clubs top earners popping their heads in the door from time to time.

Yeah, well someone needs to make the hard decisions. We don't seem to be good at that.

Some players are raking in massive money based on (well) past glories. They haven't really contributed much considering what they are costing the club.

We need to be spending money on guys who are young and fit, and available for selection most of the season, not spending it on the physio table.

It's not the players fault they got injure and it would be poor form by the club to ditch players without giving them a chance to.make a full recovery. Jackie and Colm Whelan were oarticulary unlucky.

brandyball wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:22 pm It's not the players fault they got injure and it would be poor form by the club to ditch players without giving them a chance to.make a full recovery. Jackie and Colm Whelan were oarticulary unlucky.

Very unlucky. but high risk signings moving forward as a result.