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If Bohs fans got banned for an away game then we will get similar treatment surely ???

Greengo wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:05 pm If Bohs fans got banned for an away game then we will get similar treatment surely ???

The Bohs fans hit their own player with a flare and injured him.

Club been fined €3 k with threat of future ban for travelling fans.

brandyball wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:20 pm Club been fined €3 k with threat of future ban for travelling fans.

That’s shocking.

Should be harsher otherwise it will continue.

Authorities need to toughen up and increase the fine and punish clubs until it’s sorted.

marcoloco wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:30 pm

brandyball wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:20 pm Club been fined €3 k with threat of future ban for travelling fans.

That’s shocking.

Should be harsher otherwise it will continue.

Authorities need to toughen up and increase the fine and punish clubs until it’s sorted.

The League/FAI is in a tough position. The majority of clubs are still not financially well-off and the fines hurt, despite it "only" being a few grand. The away fan ban will also hurt other clubs, as it's income that they won't be getting. But the FAI probably feels that it has to go incrementally with the punishments. I'd do away with that. First infraction = €5000 fine. Second and further infractions = 1pt deduction. As longs as these "ultras" think the clubs have enough money to be able to afford the fines, they'll keep doing it. They need to see that their stupidity is hurting the club and is putting its success (or survival) at risk. Plus, we've been having this discussion for years and fines haven't worked.

Surely tickets should be sold to the away club as a bulk item.

The away club then sells them to members only with all details held on a data base.

So you track who is buying tickets and who is in the ground.

Then if trouble arises you can identify the culprits and punish them accordingly.

marcoloco wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:13 pm Surely tickets should be sold to the away club as a bulk item.

The away club then sells them to members only with all details held on a data base.

So you track who is buying tickets and who is in the ground.

Then if trouble arises you can identify the culprits and punish them accordingly.

So they can identify someone with a flare in their hand by the ticket in their pocket?

If there was a membership scheme in place (similar to home games) it would make identifying anyone causing trouble at games easier. Most big clubs do this and international associations too so they can monitor who's attending games.

We had it (flares and fines) at the Cup final and many games since. Club keeps getting hit with fines, as do other clubs, which is not sustainable. So something has to change as 'asking nicely to behave' is having no effect.

marcoloco wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:52 pm If there was a membership scheme in place (similar to home games) it would make identifying anyone causing trouble at games easier. Most big clubs do this and international associations too so they can monitor who's attending games.

We had it (flares and fines) at the Cup final and many games since. Club keeps getting hit with fines, as do other clubs, which is not sustainable. So something has to change as 'asking nicely to behave' is having no effect.

Agreed but how do you identify boys in balaclavas and sunglasses with flares in pringle tubes?

brandyball wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:44 pm

marcoloco wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:52 pm If there was a membership scheme in place (similar to home games) it would make identifying anyone causing trouble at games easier. Most big clubs do this and international associations too so they can monitor who's attending games.

We had it (flares and fines) at the Cup final and many games since. Club keeps getting hit with fines, as do other clubs, which is not sustainable. So something has to change as 'asking nicely to behave' is having no effect.

Agreed but how do you identify boys in balaclavas and sunglasses with flares in pringle tubes?

There should be no-one in the ground with their face coeverd so as to prevent recognition. The ckub and council obviously need to be able to know who is inside their facility. Anyone wearing a balaclava or toher obstructuve face covering inside the ground should automatucally be bucked out and their seaosn ticket removed.

Do the stewards wear bodycams? If not, then it would be prudent for them to do so. Anyone then thinking they're being a smart hole with a flare inside a combustible crisps container (muppets) etc would then be videoed and can be dealt with.

This bullshit has just gone on for too lonng now There are a bunch of mosrly zit-faced teenagers who think they can do whatever they like at games and that the club has to grovel and negitiate with them because they allegedly bring the 'atmosphere'. Linfield has shown how you deal with these sorts of entitled scrotes. There should be no more pussy footing around by the club. Anyone being a dick in any way in that asection needs to be put out and their ST cancelled. Do it enough times and the problem will soon solve itself. These entitled twats are not bigger than the club, and it's time that was made clear to them. Behave or be banned.

I think the solution is a membership scheme and club Stewards (not security) at away games. It’s no different taking children on a school trip. Need an adult present to oversee things. we’ve already established its a very small minority causing issues that lead to fines and bans so it won’t take long for the stewards to get an idea of the numbers involved and who they are.

I’m just coming up with suggestions that I think are reasonable. As I pointed out I do t think asking them to stop is working.

Other fans also have a responsibility to apply pressure on anyone acting the wack.

Anyway just ideas but would be good to hear if any other ideas to prevent this are in use at other clubs?

Is that muppet who cost us a few grand a couple of seasons ago still around? Leonardo something.

No matter how much you like or dislike it, it can't happen if we're getting fined.

Re. Self policing. Not gonna happen. In fact you've more chance of every one around them pulling their phone out to record than saying a word, as what happened at Dalymount.

Do stewards at away games just leave it be (unless it enters field of play)?

At bohs the lads literally choreographed what they were doing, ten yards from stewards who, like the rest of the away end, stood and watched.

So a Shels fan hit a linesman with a flare causing the game to be halted.

Luckily he returned to complete the last few minutes of the game.

No doubt Shel will get the same as us - a €3 k fine with threat of future ban for travelling fans.

Which will do absolutely nothing to deter anyone...

marcoloco wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:25 pm So a Shels fan hit a linesman with a flare causing the game to be halted.

Luckily he returned to complete the last few minutes of the game.

No doubt Shel will get the same as us - a €3 k fine with threat of future ban for travelling fans.

Which will do absolutely nothing to deter anyone...

Shels fans hit with 1 match ban for next away game.

brandyball wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:25 pm

marcoloco wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:25 pm So a Shels fan hit a linesman with a flare causing the game to be halted.

Luckily he returned to complete the last few minutes of the game.

No doubt Shel will get the same as us - a €3 k fine with threat of future ban for travelling fans.

Which will do absolutely nothing to deter anyone...

Shels fans hit with 1 match ban for next away game.

So Galway get punished (loss of income) because some idiot from Dublin threw a flare.

If they wanted to make a statement they should have made the decision on Monday and stopped an attendance at Tolka tomorrow. Otherwise, supporters will learn nothing. If they believe it is isolated to away games then ban on one home and one away game.

marcoloco wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:56 pm

brandyball wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:25 pm

marcoloco wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:25 pm So a Shels fan hit a linesman with a flare causing the game to be halted.

Luckily he returned to complete the last few minutes of the game.

No doubt Shel will get the same as us - a €3 k fine with threat of future ban for travelling fans.

Which will do absolutely nothing to deter anyone...

Shels fans hit with 1 match ban for next away game.

So Galway get punished (loss of income) because some idiot from Dublin threw a flare.

That's the weird logic of the FAI.
Take money away from teams struggling to get people through the turnstiles.

TenaciousDee wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:57 pm If they wanted to make a statement they should have made the decision on Monday and stopped an attendance at Tolka tomorrow. Otherwise, supporters will learn nothing. If they believe it is isolated to away games then ban on one home and one away game.

100%. But FAI don't do logic.

marcoloco wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:56 pm

brandyball wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:25 pm

marcoloco wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:25 pm So a Shels fan hit a linesman with a flare causing the game to be halted.

Luckily he returned to complete the last few minutes of the game.

No doubt Shel will get the same as us - a €3 k fine with threat of future ban for travelling fans.

Which will do absolutely nothing to deter anyone...

Shels fans hit with 1 match ban for next away game.

So Galway get punished (loss of income) because some idiot from Dublin threw a flare.

I take your point. But ironnically there's a chance Galway could sell that game out anyway, or come close to it. In which case they'd end up with MORE income - due to the need for fewer seat/capacity kills (because no need for segregation), plus less security needed too