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The club need to step up on this - and be seen to step up.

Bans need to be doled out, and the media used to tell people about it. Any Derry fan who sets foot on the pitch during a match needs to be ejected instantly and receive a ban. We need to insist that some clubs (Rovers, Bohs, Dundalk at a minimum) bring their own stewards along to games to help manage their own fans, or receivce a vastly reduced ticket alloocation as a result.

And whilst some will argue that flares bring atmosphere to games, they cost the club money and people still using them regardless of that send out a wrong message that some fans feel they can do what they want.

There needs to be zero tolerance for flares or any behaviour that damages the club financially or reputationally. If that means paying extra to get more stewards in and being a bit heavy handed until the situation is resolved, then so be it., Right now the club does not have control over what happens within its stadium on match days (I'm not blaming the stewards for that btw). We need to get on top of this asap. The club needs to be in charge of what happens, not a handful of fans who think they're a law onto themselves.

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We'll wait with interest what comes out of the scheduled board meeting. Big Dublin Derby tonight with about 7500 expected, a recipe for disaster. The FAI also need to step up to he plate especially after scrapping the 1 match ban on the Rovers fan imposed after their last Foray.

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Totally agree that there needs to be zero tolerance to pitch invasions by fans. But not sure how you are going to enforce this.

Many of the pitch invasions by Derry fans at the Brandywell involve very young kids. There's no way they are going to be ejected from the ground. Even trying to hold them back is impossible. Maybe it's time that U16 or U14 only get in if accompanied by an adult. And responsibility put on that adult to control the child.

As for adults encroachments, I fully back naming anyone caught doing this, and banning them from any future games. An example needs to be made to nip this in the bud.

As for the violence, that is a far more serious thing. Thankfully for years it's wasn't an issue in the LOI, but it seems to be creeping in, and it's a worrying development. We now have our own little band of scumbags attached to the club, and they will be ruining the reputation of the rest of us, and even make it dangerous for us just to be Derry fans away from home. We will all be seen as legitimate targets for rival scumbags, just like Paddy Canning was.

I await the outcome of the Board meeting with interest.

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The guy that got slapped by the Rovers fans on the pitch was he ever identified and banned? That should be an easy one to start off with.

We as a club need to clamp down on this and hard as it's an embarrassment- you get some of the same clowns at away matches as well.

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Main problem I see is segregation at ground, it may be that for certain fixtures that away fans are at blocks K and L and enter at Long Tower with no access to go to Lone Moore Rd side. Bussed in and out of LT. Block off back of stand and the singing sections are moved to A&B. Had to be done for Linfield etc. Having home and away fans entering and exiting at same gate is a recipe for disaster for certain fixtures. I know it causes problems with ultras moving section and I have been in J for a lifetime but safety has to be paramount. I also appreciate a number of disabled fans are located at L but don't think it's impossible to relocate for a few games a year. That said too many of the young boys in K have watched too much Green Street and need to wise up. The layout of the ground is the difficulty.

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Some of the Derry fans running on to the pitch at the rovers match wernt just youngsters some of these scumbags are no better than rover s fans saw enough of them in first match in dundalk stoned out of their heads with alcohol and drugs.

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magspat wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:45 pm Some of the Derry fans running on to the pitch at the rovers match wernt just youngsters some of these scumbags are no better than rover s fans saw enough of them in first match in dundalk stoned out of their heads with alcohol and drugs.
Agreed with the some of the ones at Dundalk - some so-called fans also starting stewards, Garda and even our own fans when waiting to get our after the match.

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Agree Dave it. Only a small number of Derry fans not right to blame them all .

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Thought the Club was a bit lax in not issuing a statement regarding the incidents. Radio Foyle had contacted both Derry and Shamrock Rovers but hadn't received a response.

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dcbhoy wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:21 pm Main problem I see is segregation at ground, it may be that for certain fixtures that away fans are at blocks K and L and enter at Long Tower with no access to go to Lone Moore Rd side. Bussed in and out of LT. Block off back of stand and the singing sections are moved to A&B. Had to be done for Linfield etc. Having home and away fans entering and exiting at same gate is a recipe for disaster for certain fixtures. I know it causes problems with ultras moving section and I have been in J for a lifetime but safety has to be paramount. I also appreciate a number of disabled fans are located at L but don't think it's impossible to relocate for a few games a year. That said too many of the young boys in K have watched too much Green Street and need to wise up. The layout of the ground is the difficulty.
I would nearly go as far as to say that all traveling support permanently move to sections J,K and L to enter and exit at the point you speak of. To add to your point on stewards escorting away fans out, at the Rovers game the stewards stopped short of the Longtower car park when walking the visitors out. That was were they were met by a large group of youths who attacked them by throwing bottles, cans and basically anything that can be lifted. That decision put people at risk. Someone should have identified that this group was waiting then locked the gates until the danger was cleared. If that was by calling the police, grand, but the head honcho was there at the gate and he should be held accountable.

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TenaciousDee wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:09 am
dcbhoy wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:21 pm Main problem I see is segregation at ground, it may be that for certain fixtures that away fans are at blocks K and L and enter at Long Tower with no access to go to Lone Moore Rd side. Bussed in and out of LT. Block off back of stand and the singing sections are moved to A&B. Had to be done for Linfield etc. Having home and away fans entering and exiting at same gate is a recipe for disaster for certain fixtures. I know it causes problems with ultras moving section and I have been in J for a lifetime but safety has to be paramount. I also appreciate a number of disabled fans are located at L but don't think it's impossible to relocate for a few games a year. That said too many of the young boys in K have watched too much Green Street and need to wise up. The layout of the ground is the difficulty.
I would nearly go as far as to say that all traveling support permanently move to sections J,K and L to enter and exit at the point you speak of. To add to your point on stewards escorting away fans out, at the Rovers game the stewards stopped short of the Longtower car park when walking the visitors out. That was were they were met by a large group of youths who attacked them by throwing bottles, cans and basically anything that can be lifted. That decision put people at risk. Someone should have identified that this group was waiting then locked the gates until the danger was cleared. If that was by calling the police, grand, but the head honcho was there at the gate and he should be held accountable.
Maybe that'd why the Club has been so quiet on the issue thus far.

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As a Derry fan I have to say I was embarassed by our club being on the front page of the Journal last week over trouble at games. Having to explain it to family and friends who know I go to games and now think the Brandywell is a dangerous place. That headline will be all that a lot of people around the town see, and will undoubtedly deter some from trying to go to matches for a while.

The club have been far too slow and lax about getting to grips with this issue IMO. It's been very visible since the League Cup Final against Dundalk at the Brandywell in 2019 - when at another high profile televised game there were some Derry 'fans' on the pitch fighting with Dundalk fans. What was done as a result of that ? Were the individuals identified and banned ? Amd why did the club have little or nothing to say publicly about it all ? It was good that the club apparently had an emergency meeting about it all recently - but it shouldn't have to take being on the front page of the local paper for something to be done about an issue that we can all see with our eyes. Derry Cioty needs to be in control of what happens within the stadium on matchdays - not a group of Danny Dyer wannabes.

As an aside from all of this, and without wishing to rake over old ground - for me this just all highlights yet again how the Brandywell is the wrong location for Derry City's ground. I am convinced that football in Ireland is at the early stages of a growth phase, and bigger crowds across the league will become more of the norm rather than the current exception that they are. A bigger league with more support will necessitate more strict segregation etc - yet the Brandywell isn't designed to enable that at all. I'm also convinced that there will be an all-island league at some eventual point as well, which will again highlight the unsuitability of the Brandwyell for our games. I'm certain that within the next 10-20 years the limitations of the Brandywell will be such that the club and council will be forced to look at other options. Though by then even more of the Cityside will have been built on, leaving less space for a new ground. We're being incredinbly short-sighted about the future trajectory of Irish football, and our stadium place within it.

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Searches will be conducted looking for pyrotechnics.

https://www.facebook.com/137900283905/p ... 786318906/

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brandyball wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:29 pm Searches will be conducted looking for pyrotechnics.

https://www.facebook.com/137900283905/p ... 786318906/
Wonder how that went with The away end?

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Another pitch invasion last night after the winning goal.

I know it was only mostly young ones again, but does anyone know if the club gets fined for these incursions?

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In a word yes... Any encroachment by the crowd onto the pitch will result in a fine...

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We have to find a way to stop this. Are these kids coming into the ground unaccompanied ? If so - maybe we have to insist that kids have an adult with them.

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Keyser Soze wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:53 pm Another pitch invasion last night after the winning goal.

I know it was only mostly young ones again, but does anyone know if the club gets fined for these incursions?
Objects were thrown at Chris Forrester too during a stoppage, prior to him taking a corner kick. This is a minority yes, but if it continues the FAI may hit us with a supporters ban. In saying that I seen some pyro being thrown towards the Derry fans, what led to that and was any injured?

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TenaciousDee wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:41 pm
Keyser Soze wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:53 pm Another pitch invasion last night after the winning goal.

I know it was only mostly young ones again, but does anyone know if the club gets fined for these incursions?
Objects were thrown at Chris Forrester too during a stoppage, prior to him taking a corner kick. This is a minority yes, but if it continues the FAI may hit us with a supporters ban. In saying that I seen some pyro being thrown towards the Derry fans, what led to that and was any injured?
See when away fans are using flares do we get fined or STPats?

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